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Old 04-08-2013, 11:25 AM   #106
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:37 AM   #107
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Looks like the only female competitor that I can find, Camellia Liparoti, is in an 25th Pl. for the stage. Wonder what it's like for a female competitor in a Middle East rally?

Mike Johnson, only American motorcyclist, is an and 35th place. Anyone know background information on Mike?
Females - Just the same as the guy's, very few trees to piss against

Seriously though the UAE is good, the girls probably get a better deal than in some of the US States
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:44 AM   #108
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Abu Dhabi Challenge 2013: Helder Rodrigues hit by Jeremiah Israel

Posted by Carlos Pereira Photos , All Terrain , videos Apr 8, 2013

The sport participation of Helder Rodrigues was today seriously compromised in the Abu Dhabi Desert Challenge, the opening race of the World Championship All-Terrain, when Honda CRF 450 Rally official Portuguese driver was involved in a collision, off a dune by Jeremiah bike Chilean Israel.

" I came to the refueling zone at the head of a group of three riders. Right behind me came the Jeremiah [Israel] and [Joan] Barreda. Pulled for the second part of the course after Jeremiah warned the [Israel] that was rolling too close to the back of my bike, which was quite dangerous. Around km 160, a jump in a very large dune made ​​at the reception and the bike fell tombasse aside. Nothing complicated, but as Jeremiah [Israel] was right behind landed on my motorbike which was badly damaged , "he said the driver of the Honda, Red Bull and TMN.

" He had to be evacuated to the hospital heli and I kept ending up with the bike for him not to wait in the desert. Let's try to repair the bike to make the remaining trial days where I will try to do good results, as it was in this race in order to win. This is a type of accident that should not happen and thankfully it was not as bad as it could have been any one of us , "added the pilot.

Note that when Helder Rodrigues took the motorbike of Israel Jeremiah found that the roadbook was at km138, which means that the youngster Chilean vineyard just below the Portuguese driver, without looking at the roodbook.
However, to emphasize victory in step-mate Helder Rodrigues Honda Team, Sam Sunderland.
Looks like Israel glued himself to Helder's back wheel instead of bothering to navigate himself and Helder was not liking that. The hazards with which the aliens need to deal....

I see two very interesting points, first that Israel's roadbook was a good 25-30 km behind meaning he gave up trying to navigate or it broke so he had no choice, and second that Helder talks about the remaining stages. I need to dig into the FIM regulations for completing the stage/swapping bikes etc... I assumed it was forbidden, but I am also assuming Dakar rules.
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Old 04-08-2013, 11:59 AM   #109
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I see two very interesting points, first that Israel's roadbook was a good 25-30 km behind meaning he gave up trying to navigate or it broke so he had no choice...


On the Italian Motorally championship you MUST be always on the right note (and there are up to 500 notes in 200 km course). They almost always put a secret check point, even within a special stage, so you have to stop and they check the note. If you are not on the righ note (with 2 notes tolerance, you get a 15 minutes penalty!
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OK, rules clarified via Chavo. Helder can continue with a "1 million hour penalty" (Chavo's words)

Helder is shown lugging along an extra 14h40'00". He's out of the running for the win so I have to ask, since it seems HRC have given up further development on this version of the bike, what does Helder have to gain besides seat time and possible stage wins? Is it worth the potential risks? At his level, would it be more prudent to save the body to fight again another day?

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Old 04-08-2013, 12:02 PM   #111
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On the Italian Motorally championship you MUST be always on the right note (and there are up to 500 notes in 200 km course). They almost always put a secret check point, even within a special stage, so you have to stop and they check the note. If you are not on the righ note (with 2 notes tolerance, you get a 15 minutes penalty!
Could be that his roadbook broke, but I don't know either way. Jeremias posts a lot on twitter so I assume he will tell his story once the medical side is sorted.
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:04 PM   #112
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wonder if kuba got lost leading or just a glitch ?
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Why wouldn't Helder stay in the race, and lead all those who follow him off in the wrong direction to make a point!
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Why wouldn't Helder stay in the race, and lead all those who follow him off in the wrong direction to make a point!
Perhaps it's a point that needs to be made. Unfortunately, with the relatively short stages in regards to the previous few Dakar's, the emphasis has shifted a bit from smart navigating to outright speed and technical prowess. Despres was pretty vocal about it in January, at least much more vocal than in years past.

Helder wouldn't win himself any friends, but you're right, maybe this point is well beyond due.
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Perhaps it's a point that needs to be made. Unfortunately, with the relatively short stages in regards to the previous few Dakar's, the emphasis has shifted a bit from smart navigating to outright speed and technical prowess. Despres was pretty vocal about it in January, at least much more vocal than in years past.

Helder wouldn't win himself any friends, but you're right, maybe this point is well beyond due.
You are spot on here boys (oops and Mum) - I can't speak for any of the other young guns, but on the one I can, Sam spends hours and hours preparing and using road books and takes his navigation as a very serious aspect of the sport
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Well as long as Sam does not follow him !!



I would not be surprised to see Helder win the stage tomorrow if the bike is fixed starting from the back.
Then the next day he can lead off and divert Coma and Concalves
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wonder if kuba got lost leading or just a glitch ?
I recall he said it was tough being at the front navigating! Back on that issue again, but you need confidence and skill, to push it out there!
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I recall he said it was tough being at the front navigating! Back on that issue again, but you need confidence and skill, to push it out there!
Add to that Chavo told me the pace is lightning fast. As he described it a "long motocross in the dunes". A local caught up to him in the second half of the stage so Juan Carlos let him show the way.

Hard to open the stage and keep pace when the pace is so fast.
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Add to that Chavo told me the pace is lightning fast. As he described it a "long motocross in the dunes". A local caught up to him in the second half of the stage so Juan Carlos let him show the way.
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