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Old 03-31-2013, 02:12 PM   #76
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I ask the cynics to review my first post. Why did my 3rd chain get 9,000 miles and my first 33,000?
Is the 33,000 vs the 9,000 measured using the "super scientific XP aladocious I ran out of adjustment" method or the "measure 12 links and when it stretches more than the manual recommends change it" method?

Either I am missing something or you are? But something is missing here
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:17 PM   #77
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I have no easy way to place it under tension to check for any stretch.
By placing it under tension you are not checking for stretch, just taking out the free play.

To place under tension - hang it up on a wall... a hook or heavy nail will do -

Placing a little weight on the end may help displace that grease faster... leave it overnight to be sure.

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There are many reasons why one chain will ware faster than another

Differences in the sprockets;
ware
alignment
size

Differences in the care;
lubrication (including environment - dust/water/dirt)
power application
sliders
tension

Differences in the chain;
materials (pin, barrel?, grease,O rings)
quality of manufacture (surface finish, sizing [pin diameter etc], grease quantity)

I'm sure there are other factors too...
one of which would be cost - you cannot get a great chain for a dime.

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It behooves us to consider that this issue has a direct and lasting financial impact as one of the prime consumables for our vehicles. Considering the cost, it makes motorcycling implausible as economic transportation for the working class,
Get real! Motorcycling ceased being transport for the working class many decades ago. Small cheap cars are more economical to run than motorcycles and have been for some time.

Notrivaia if you want cheap transport - sell the bike and buy a small car!

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Old 03-31-2013, 02:31 PM   #78
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By placing it under tension you are not checking for stretch, just taking out the free play.

To place under tension - hang it up on a wall... a hook or heavy nail will do -

Placing a little weight on the end may help displace that grease faster... leave it overnight to be sure.
It is not my chain that is in question. I'm not putting anymore time into it. As I said until somebody gets off of their butt and actually measures the one in question we are just peeing in the wind. All it would take is a little time and a tape measure.

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Old 03-31-2013, 03:22 PM   #79
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The OP said he uses stock gearing only.
OP, did you change your sprockets each time you changed the chain?
Did the sprockets look good enough to use again?
What's the story there..... Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:06 PM   #80
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A The Chain Stretches ...

Thankyou Railbender for your insight.

Thankyou Warin for your info. The comment about a small car is apposite. But I imagine you understand that I would fain to resort to that.

Ah, Kingby, I change my chain when it runs out of the alloted adjustment space or when it can be pulled off the sprocket, as recommended. All the appropriate maintenance was done, as has always been the case in the 17 bikes I've had.
But never in my experience do I remember chain installations being half-way through the adjustment cycle. Hence this post, to discover if others have experienced the same thing or what they may know. It seems to me a crucial matter both for economy and safety.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:50 PM   #81
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.... I change my chain when it runs out of the alloted adjustment space or when it can be pulled off the sprocket, as recommended..
When you run out of adjustment or it can be pulled off the sprocket?

When was the last time you changed the sprockets? Seriously..
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:06 PM   #82
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Chuck said it best...

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:20 PM   #83
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Sprocket to Spock?

Every time I change the chain I change the sprockets Max just like the manufacturers conditions. Nothing in any way has been done that is not the normal procedure for the chains. Which prompts the question as to why some ware so quickly and other's haven't. The only clue we have is that my 3rd chain and this most recent were in the middle of the adjustment zone, my first two were at the beginning.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:36 AM   #84
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Notrivia

have you considered it might simply be a mistake in the spec for numbers of links for the stock chair?

or that the spec leaves room to alter your gearing?

my exposure to humans makes be very suspicious of conspiricy theories, as most folks are simply not bright enough to make one work.

Thought this was an April Fools thread, til I saw the date of the first post, btw.

Remove some links and ride.

None of us have enough time to obsess over this . . . . check that . . . you may, but I sure don't.

Enjoy, whatever your decision.
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Old 04-01-2013, 02:34 PM   #85
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Too Short!

The individual links are just slightly longer than the adjustment marks, making removing a link too tight a chain. I'm not going to take a chance of cracking my crankcase Atomic, as shown in a pic earlier by Boatman. That's why I replaced the old chain, only to be miffed that the new one, a different brand, showed the same "middle-length", unlike the original chain and My 2nd, a Regina,
which were at the first adjustment mark.

Thankyou for your suggestion.
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Old 04-01-2013, 02:54 PM   #86
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I know it adds to the cost of new chains but what Im thinking about doing is buying 4 or 5 master links with my next new chain. Then shortening the chain when newly installed, then as the chain stretches Ill cut out a couple stretched links, add a couple of the previously trimed new links and a master link to reconnect. This way it will always be in the shortest of adjustments and Ill get the full stretch out of my chain. I think the chain will even last longer because the newer links will be starting thier stretch cycle in a delayed sequence. The only extra cost really will be the initial puchase of the extra master links but I can just keep those when buying the next chain and repeat from there. Might even save a few bucks by prolonging wear/stretch.
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Old 04-01-2013, 02:58 PM   #87
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Notrivia

I've never heard that the adjustment marks had any relation whatsoever to link length . . . . a quick look in my motor pool says this just isn't the case . . . .

but, hell, man, enjoy yourslef!
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:03 PM   #88
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Ya mean like this......



I'm very surprised to see your cynicism in this most important discussion when it appears you were a victim of a half worn chain problem yourself
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:05 PM   #89
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I know it adds to the cost of new chains but what Im thinking about doing is buying 4 or 5 master links with my next new chain. Then shortening the chain when newly installed, then as the chain stretches Ill cut out a couple stretched links, add a couple of the previously trimed new links and a master link to reconnect. This way it will always be in the shortest of adjustments and Ill get the full stretch out of my chain. I think the chain will even last longer because the newer links will be starting thier stretch cycle in a delayed sequence. The only extra cost really will be the initial puchase of the extra master links but I can just keep those when buying the next chain and repeat from there. Might even save a few bucks by prolonging wear/stretch.

While that may very well work it will not solve the issue of the manufacturers selling us a chain with looser tolerances than what they are supposed to be
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:48 PM   #90
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OP, is there a chance your bearings are worn both in the wheel and the swing arm pivot? You have ALOT of miles! Making it seem like it is indeed the chain who is at fault? In essence shortening the distance between the sprockets and resulting in the chain seeming to be long???
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