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Old 04-04-2013, 07:32 PM   #76
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Great point Charlie but wouldn't it be better if the state looked at why everybody is speeding there and upped the speed limit instead?

We have the same speed limits as 20 years ago. Yet the cars got much safer by at least 2x so the speed limits should be at least 1.5x higher....
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:40 PM   #77
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Great point Charlie but wouldn't it be better if the state looked at why everybody is speeding there and upped the speed limit instead?

We have the same speed limits as 20 years ago. Yet the cars got much safer by at least 2x so the speed limits should be at least 1.5x higher....
Adam Carolla had a bit where you should be ticketed based on what you're driving. The guy in the M3 is good for at least 90 while the '84 Escort is limited to 55. Makes sense. Why be held back by the lowest common denominator?
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:21 AM   #78
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Great point Charlie but wouldn't it be better if the state looked at why everybody is speeding there and upped the speed limit instead?

We have the same speed limits as 20 years ago. Yet the cars got much safer by at least 2x so the speed limits should be at least 1.5x higher....
Further to this; The highway that I speak of was designed in the late forties. In the previous 50 years, the automobile had gone from novel idea to something that could cover massive ground at rather high speeds. They projected out the next 50 and figured cars would be routinely traveling at 90 mph, so they designed this nice, big, smooth, gentle roadway. Little wonder everyone was going 85 on it.

Of course there are tons of variables to be factored in.




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Old 04-05-2013, 06:25 AM   #79
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The state got a wild hair and rigged up RADAR to randomly shoot from the light standards. X, K, Y, laser, the whole alphabet was being shot, at no-one in particular.
In the past when the WSP tried that, the FCC came down on them hard.
The FCC takes a very dim view of spurious transmission of radio waves.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:19 AM   #80
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Further to this; The highway that I speak of was designed in the late forties. In the previous 50 years, the automobile had gone from novel idea to something that could cover massive ground at rather high speeds. They projected out the next 50 and figured cars would be routinely traveling at 90 mph, so they designed this nice, big, smooth, gentle roadway. Little wonder everyone was going 85 on it.

Of course there are tons of variables to be factored in.


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Adam Carolla had a bit where you should be ticketed based on what you're driving. The guy in the M3 is good for at least 90 while the '84 Escort is limited to 55. Makes sense. Why be held back by the lowest common denominator?
85th percentile.

http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdot...tile_speed.htm
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:34 AM   #81
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Well that seems like the perfect argument in favor of undercover enforcement., it makes folks think twice before letting it all hang out. I,m on the road 8 to 10 hours a day, and I have only seen them a couple of times, chances are slim of actually getting dinged by one, but we're thinking about it.

I don't see how that isn't a deterrence.
If it was a deterrence, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Unmarked cars for traffic enforcement is ALL about the revenue, safety is a by-product.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:16 AM   #82
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Maybe this question is obvious to others but, I am always surprised by how tax dollars are spent. What costs more - a fully cloaked out unmarked car ready to hide behind trees, shadows, donut shops etc or a regular marked cruiser?

I would hate to think we are spending extra money on unmarked cars that could be put to much better use than hiding at the bottom of steep downhills?

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Old 04-05-2013, 11:13 AM   #83
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Cost was one of the reasons they reduced the size of the mandatory lettering on each side of the car to 1 1/2" from 2" IIRC. That, and the also-required 6" round sticker in the back window can't cost that much, especially if the state buys them in bulk. That stuff's cheap.


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Old 04-05-2013, 04:48 PM   #84
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Maybe this question is obvious to others but, I am always surprised by how tax dollars are spent. What costs more - a fully cloaked out unmarked car ready to hide behind trees, shadows, donut shops etc or a regular marked cruiser?

I would hate to think we are spending extra money on unmarked cars that could be put to much better use than hiding at the bottom of steep downhills?

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Thats a big gripe of mine ,when they sit at the bottom of hills.Thats plain ignorant.
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Old 04-05-2013, 07:39 PM   #85
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Thats a big gripe of mine ,when they sit at the bottom of hills.Thats plain ignorant.
Nothing ignorant about it if your goal is revenue.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:23 PM   #86
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If it was a deterrence, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Well if you get down to it, "you cant cure stupid" covers that.

I don't think any sensible person believes or expects that everybody needs to follow traffic laws to the letter, or that they alone define what is safe.
Any reasonable person knows that there needs to be some standards of behavior on the road, and at some level they need to be enforced, it may be arbitrary most of the time but its necessary

Enforcement costs money, someone needs to pay for it, I rather it be paid by those who don't have the skill or judgment to avoid getting caught. They are the ones creating the need in the first place.
Anybody who gets enough tickets for this to be of any real concern sucks at riding/driving and deserves what they get.

IMO, targeted stealth enforcement that goes after the really bad drivers is more productive than a speed trap at the bottom of a hill.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:29 PM   #87
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Well if you get down to it, "you cant cure stupid" covers that.

I don't think any sensible person believes or expects that everybody needs to follow traffic laws to the letter, or that they alone define what is safe.
Any reasonable person knows that there needs to be some standards of behavior on the road, and at some level they need to be enforced, it may be arbitrary most of the time but its necessary

Enforcement costs money, someone needs to pay for it, I rather it be paid by those who don't have the skill or judgment to avoid getting caught. They are the ones creating the need in the first place.
Anybody who gets enough tickets for this to be of any real concern sucks at riding/driving and deserves what they get.

IMO, targeted stealth enforcement that goes after the really bad drivers is more productive than a speed trap at the bottom of a hill.

YOU really just don't get it do you.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:58 PM   #88
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YOU really just don't get it do you.
Sure I do,
I just find the all indignation over red herrings amusing.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:25 AM   #89
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Sure I do,
I just find the all indignation over red herrings amusing.
Till it happens to you.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:54 AM   #90
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Sure I do,
I just find the all indignation over red herrings amusing.
Break a law to enforce a law.
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