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Old 04-05-2013, 04:57 PM   #1
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Intermittent Miss/Engine Drop

Hi guys

Leaving Belize and riding into Guatemala today Mayas engine started to every now and then drop then continue.

Too fast to see if the dash lights come on, fuel pump seems fine also if it were fuel it would bog and die whereas this is an instant off and back on which make me think electrical.

Going to push and pull plugs everywhere tonight but any pointers from anyone who has experienced similar probs please chime in.

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Old 04-05-2013, 06:03 PM   #2
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Hi guys

Leaving Belize and riding into Guatemala today Mayas engine started to every now and then drop then continue.

Too fast to see if the dash lights come on, fuel pump seems fine also if it were fuel it would bog and die whereas this is an instant off and back on which make me think electrical.

Going to push and pull plugs everywhere tonight but any pointers from anyone who has experienced similar probs please chime in.

Cheers all
I'm sure you've checked the obvious; battery connection/cables,sparkies, VR. , vents ??

Are you able to monitor your charge rate while under way??

Good luck.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:20 PM   #3
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side stand switch,key ign switch,clutch safety switch would be the three of the things I would check. Battery connection have been known to come loose also.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:31 PM   #4
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Check around the starter relay. Basically everything goes through there and they are know to corrode.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:35 PM   #5
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Coil connections. Spark plug and spark plug cap.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:14 PM   #6
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I'm sure you've checked the obvious; battery connection/cables,sparkies, VR. , vents ??

Are you able to monitor your charge rate while under way??

Good luck.
Yeap, sitting constant at 13.8 Volts.

Only checked a few goodies under the seat before the sun fell out of the sky but nothing struck me as out of place or unusual.

Thanks for all the pointers guys, will hopefully find something simple in the am.
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Old 04-06-2013, 04:58 AM   #7
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Many have had problems with the ignition switch:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472908
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=592703

Probably not this, but there is always the concern that the contact on the back side of the starter relay can go bad (pic borrowed from Aurel's thread):
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:42 AM   #8
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Ok, checked everything under the seat, pushed and pulle every connection, relay, fuse etc.

A couple of relays had a minor amount of crud but I wouldn't have thought it would be enough to upset it but I cleaned them anyway.

Took off the headlight mask and did the same, checked everything I could.

Lastly I checked the off on switch which is a Euro switch, it has a very small amount of greasy stuff on the terminals so I cleaned them as well.

Short of removing the tank etc I have done as much as I can do, will see what happens from here now.

I have done a heap of searches and reading but couldn't find much on items slowly breaking down causing issues so has anyone had anything like that with electrical items breaking down slowly?
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:58 AM   #9
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Ok, checked everything under the seat, pushed and pulle every connection, relay, fuse etc.

A couple of relays had a minor amount of crud but I wouldn't have thought it would be enough to upset it but I cleaned them anyway.

Took off the headlight mask and did the same, checked everything I could.

Lastly I checked the off on switch which is a Euro switch, it has a very small amount of greasy stuff on the terminals so I cleaned them as well.

Short of removing the tank etc I have done as much as I can do, will see what happens from here now.

I have done a heap of searches and reading but couldn't find much on items slowly breaking down causing issues so has anyone had anything like that with electrical items breaking down slowly?
From the HOW.

cpmodem: In the case of a broken ignition switch, lost key, or broken switch wires, it is fairly simple to "hotwire" the 950 Adventure (2003-2006). In the fuse box inside the glove box, simply jumper the Acc1 fuse to the Ignition, Headlights, and Instruments fuses (right three). Make up the jumper ahead of time and keep it on the bike for emergencies. Use a minimum of 2mm (14 AWG) insulated wire for your jumper. Be sure to connect the right three first. Leave the fuses in place and your circuits will be protected as usual. There is no additional load on any wiring as the jumper simply replaces the ignition switch in the circuit. The branch circuits remain un-altered. Jumpering to the other side (bottom side) will leave the circuits unprotected and may cause smoke to escape from the wires.


Hotwire the bike and see if it stops happening. If it does, your ignition switch is dying. This is an easy test to perform. I wish I'd found this info before I'd chased an issue similar to what you describe for two riding seasons.
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Old 04-06-2013, 01:12 PM   #10
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From the HOW.

cpmodem: In the case of a broken ignition switch, lost key, or broken switch wires, it is fairly simple to "hotwire" the 950 Adventure (2003-2006). In the fuse box inside the glove box, simply jumper the Acc1 fuse to the Ignition, Headlights, and Instruments fuses (right three). Make up the jumper ahead of time and keep it on the bike for emergencies. Use a minimum of 2mm (14 AWG) insulated wire for your jumper. Be sure to connect the right three first. Leave the fuses in place and your circuits will be protected as usual. There is no additional load on any wiring as the jumper simply replaces the ignition switch in the circuit. The branch circuits remain un-altered. Jumpering to the other side (bottom side) will leave the circuits unprotected and may cause smoke to escape from the wires.




Hotwire the bike and see if it stops happening. If it does, your ignition switch is dying. This is an easy test to perform. I wish I'd found this info before I'd chased an issue similar to what you describe for two riding seasons.

Like to do that too but we are on 2007 950 SE, how difficult is it to do to the SE or is it the same other than not in the glovebox?
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Old 04-06-2013, 01:14 PM   #11
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damn.... more bad luck.... I feel bad for ya'll! Next bike outta be a KLR
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Old 04-06-2013, 01:38 PM   #12
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damn.... more bad luck.... I feel bad for ya'll! Next bike outta be a KLR
Yes this fucken thing has cost us dearly and is still costing us dearly in repairs, we continue to be plagued with shit going wrong on it.

Have to say it is wearing me down and I am getting pissed with it cos one day after another we are having to do all sorts of fixits and on the road this is 10 fold more difficult ... I don't mind a few things but fuck me I wouldn't mind a bit of a clean run.

Today is one of those "I regret buying this bike" days and unfortunately there are still too many of them
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:31 AM   #13
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Good morning guys

Ok we set off for our next leg and she coughed and spluttered, we only got 6 km out of town and now we are back.

On our return she ran fine FFS!!!!

Going to pull the tank now and get into it a lot deeper so any assistance would be grateful.

I am one step off ditching the bike for ever I have had enough
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:42 AM   #14
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Found this traced it back to the off on switch, assume it is to be connected at the bottom, about to check the wiring diagram as well but if any SE owners can confirm this would be great.

I have the bike scattered all over the courtyard now and I don't want to pull the ignition switch set apart if I can help it.



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Old 04-07-2013, 11:11 AM   #15
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Is it behind the headlight mask?

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