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Old 04-24-2013, 06:54 AM   #61
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If you think we are in trouble now you better hope the NDP or Liberals never get into power. Watch BC go down the tubes soon. The Conservatives have been the best thing to ever happen lately. Just about all the other countries in the world suffered one of the worst recessions and we came through smelling like a rose for the most part.
We came out smelling like a rose because the blue liberal government (Chretien with Martin as finance) of the 90's made it a point to cut spending and pay down debt along with ensuring there were checks and balances in the banking system. Since we have had a majority conservative government our deficit has grown to Mulroney proportions. Within 8 years they will have wiped out all the debt paydown completed in the 90s and our national debt will be back to the pre Chretien/Martin levels.

We need true financial conservatives not the pork barrelers that are in there now.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:49 AM   #62
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I loved the AD!

I think the real problem, the real issue, is that Canadian politicians, are totally useless. They're not people of vision they are people that crave power. They toe the party line no matter what. They haven't represented their constituents in generations.

If anything we need more ads that tell it like it is. Lets hear how dumbass our elected representatives are. Lets have really pointed attack ads that show Canadians how useless these clowns are. God knows there is a lot of ammunition out there.

Look at tiny NB where I live. 720,000 residents and a 10 billion dollar debt. You can't tell me that our politicians, of any political ilk are good money managers. We have 55 full time MLA's to "manage" this place, all hauling down tremendous salaries, and this is the best they can do? Why? Maybe it IS because they were gym teachers, as our former Premier, or Camp Councillors as our new Federal Liberal leader. Canadians should know. We hire these people, why have they failed so miserably in the job we gave them to do?

Just my 2 cents worth.
I don't know how many lawyers and doctors have entered politics over the years and have they done any better? Dishing dirt on someone is one thing, suggesting that having been a camp councillor IS dirt is another. I don't know but if he can be trusted with kids and their safety and development well maybe that is a positive. Trust fund, why is that bad? Trying to manipulate us into making negative judgements based on pretty benign stuff. It makes me wonder just how stupid the govt thinks we are.

Hey anyone want to talk about insurance companies now?
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Old 04-28-2013, 03:16 PM   #63
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We came out smelling like a rose because the blue liberal government (Chretien with Martin as finance) of the 90's made it a point to cut spending and pay down debt along with ensuring there were checks and balances in the banking system. Since we have had a majority conservative government our deficit has grown to Mulroney proportions. Within 8 years they will have wiped out all the debt paydown completed in the 90s and our national debt will be back to the pre Chretien/Martin levels.

We need true financial conservatives not the pork barrelers that are in there now.
The Paul Harvey on that is that their methodology was robbing Peter to pay Paul. You can defer certain spending for only so long before the bill comes due. I know this to be true in dept of defence.

Yes, they cut the deficit. But it was smoke and mirrors. As we witnessed in the US, the damage Bush wrought came home to roost on Obama's watch.


Thing is, they are all beholden to whatever contributors that paid for their election. Until that crooked game is gone, they'll all be the same, just wearing different colours.
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The way I see it is, They must be really scared of this new guy that they feel the need on day one of his new position that they need to start the attack adds.
If they were confident in their ability to win the next election on their own merits they wouldn't feel the need to sink to this low of attack adds.
Do they really think we are that stupid as to think they are better than him by what they are saying about him? I feel like they are talking down to e all the time....trying to talk slowly so I will understand what it is they are trying to pull over on me.
I hope Trudeau stays away from this as he has done in his first add saying we deserve better that this.....it elevates him to a higher plain just on this alone! imho. If he stays away from attack adds I think the general public will see it as a positive position compared to the waste of money and time the conservatives are doing by airing their negative adds, when they could be doing something more positive....? Like explaining to us how they are going to get things turned around for our economy.

It just pisses me off.....being treated like a child who can't think for himself and must be told what to think about the other person.
That leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:33 AM   #65
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The way I see it is, They must be really scared of this new guy that they feel the need on day one of his new position that they need to start the attack adds.
If they were confident in their ability to win the next election on their own merits they wouldn't feel the need to sink to this low of attack adds.
Do they really think we are that stupid as to think they are better than him by what they are saying about him? I feel like they are talking down to e all the time....trying to talk slowly so I will understand what it is they are trying to pull over on me.
I hope Trudeau stays away from this as he has done in his first add saying we deserve better that this.....it elevates him to a higher plain just on this alone! imho. If he stays away from attack adds I think the general public will see it as a positive position compared to the waste of money and time the conservatives are doing by airing their negative adds, when they could be doing something more positive....? Like explaining to us how they are going to get things turned around for our economy.

It just pisses me off.....being treated like a child who can't think for himself and must be told what to think about the other person.
That leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
Is a waste of time, but the money is money from the Conservative Party not gov't - well except for the money they recieve based on number of votes recieved but I think Harper killed this policy so as to kill off funds available to other parties. No money no chance to win and the conservatives have a very good fund raising program while NDP, Liberals and Green parties do not. I think Harper's goal was to kill the liberal party vs just beat them. I get it, the idea of needing an adversary to focus your team's efforts and sharpen them but by killing off one party you are in effect killing democracy.

I need to get more educated on the parties and politics in general. I don't typically vote but have opinions (semi informed ones anyway ) and think the only way the political process will work is if we as citizens take control back from the politicians. So I guess I will get on the vote wagon.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:23 AM   #66
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The only way I'll waste my time voting is IF the race is close.....if it's a slam dunk for the Harpooner team then I'll stay home and sulk....lol.
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Old 04-29-2013, 01:33 PM   #67
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The only way I'll waste my time voting is IF the race is close.....if it's a slam dunk for the Harpooner team then I'll stay home and sulk....lol.
The way I understand it votes used to = money for a party, each vote resulted in some allocation of gov't fund which allowed the official opposition and other parties to still participate and represent their voting constituents. So there may be value in voting one way or the other.

I think that the conservatives nix'd this program to stymie the liberals and other parties who counted on this to be viable operations from a organizational POV. From a win at all costs POV it was pretty clever but the effect may have been to kill democracy. Sort of like the need of non-profits to advertise and chase donations in order to keep their message in the publics mind. A certain portion of donations go towards advertising and not the actual charitable cause. Without it they wouldn't be able to achieve anything.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:51 PM   #68
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Please stop

I come to ADV rider to get away from life, dream about riding and planning my next trip.
Please dont ruin thi site with politics!
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Old 04-30-2013, 01:31 PM   #69
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I come to ADV rider to get away from life, dream about riding and planning my next trip.
Please dont ruin thi site with politics!
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Regional Forums are just that, a place to discuss Regional Issues. If you don't like the content of the Thread Header, don't click on it.

In the meantime, n00b - get me a beer and a bacon sammich.
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Fair enough. To be honest the entire left vs. right debate is a joke. All the sheep just line up and say ba!!. One is conservative, one is liberal one is ndp. They are all criminals and none of them care. They only care that they get elected again.
As for Trudeau. you would have to be an idiot to vote him in as PM. He has never had a job that would suggest he should be PM. He has been a public speaker, school teacher and ski instructor. If he gets elected he should be ashamed a nation. If it wasn't for his old man (Piece of Sh&% he was) he would not be elected as Alderman in the town of Wawa! Harper is no better. But atleast he has steered the country clear of significant recession (so far).

I'm sick of paying taxes and big government. Healthcare is a joke and the baby boomers will suck the system dry and bankrupt before I get old enough to take advantage of it.
It is not left vs. right. It is us vs. the government. If you think otherwise give your head a shake.
By the way your beer is over taxed and your pork sandwich is overpriced because of pork marketing board and likely quotas.

I'm sick of paying taxes and big goverment. Healthcare is a joke and the baby boomers will suck the system dry and bankrupt before I get old enough to take advatage of it.
It is not left vs. right. It is us vs. the goverment. If you think otherwise give your head a shake.
By the way your beer is over taxed and your pork sandwich is overpriced because of pork marketing board and likely quatas.
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Fair enough. To be honest the entire left vs. right debate is a joke. All the sheep just line up and say ba!!. One is conservative, one is liberal one is ndp. They are all criminals and none of them care. They only care that they get elected again.
As for Trudeau. you would have to be an idiot to vote him in as PM. He has never had a job that would suggest he should be PM. He has been a public speaker, school teacher and ski instructor. If he gets elected he should be ashamed a nation. If it wasn't for his old man (Piece of Sh&% he was) he would not be elected as Alderman in the town of Wawa! Harper is no better. But atleast he has steered the country clear of significant recession (so far).

I'm sick of paying taxes and big government. Healthcare is a joke and the baby boomers will suck the system dry and bankrupt before I get old enough to take advantage of it.
It is not left vs. right. It is us vs. the government. If you think otherwise give your head a shake.
By the way your beer is over taxed and your pork sandwich is overpriced because of pork marketing board and likely quotas.

I'm sick of paying taxes and big goverment. Healthcare is a joke and the baby boomers will suck the system dry and bankrupt before I get old enough to take advatage of it.
It is not left vs. right. It is us vs. the goverment. If you think otherwise give your head a shake.
By the way your beer is over taxed and your pork sandwich is overpriced because of pork marketing board and likely quatas.

nice see you had it in you to throw down some political commentary. There is value in this, as I am coming to understand. I agree a political party's number one go is to be elected, number two is re-elected. As for qualifications to be a PM, well as there is no professional association for politicians there is no standard of what experience is required, so it maybe it does come down to personality traits and once elected then performance based (maybe) and public relations or soft campaigning between elections. He who has the biggest budget buys the election may not be far from the truth, so the more we debate and get involved the more we negate being sheep and the less important PR is and the more important performance on the job becomes. A real challenge in my mind is a viable alternative. If nothing else taking control through participation puts the power back in our hands so that a gov't with less than 25% of the vote can't be the sole representative of our collective will.

Big gov't - amen, I'd like to see big reductions to big gov't, but I don't have a clear statement on what that would mean to me, less services, lower taxes or more efficient gov't or something else. I don't know enough, but efficiencies would be high on my list. I'd like to see real accountability as in if you steal from the taxpayer in you position of trust you get fired and go to jail and make restitution. Bev Oda and others of her ilk would not be quietly pensioned off, no they would forfeit the golden pension and be subject to criminal charges. On the note of pensions, it used to be they were golden plated in order to attract professions who would take a hit professionally for loss time in their trade and loss income opportunity, it was thought that they would serve the public in office for a short term and then return to whatever profession but that isn't the case, so many are career politicians, it is what they do despite having say a law degree they were never practicing lawyers so why the solid gold pensions?
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nice see you had it in you to throw down some political commentary. There is value in this, as I am coming to understand. I agree a political party's number one go is to be elected, number two is re-elected. As for qualifications to be a PM, well as there is no professional association for politicians there is no standard of what experience is required, so it maybe it does come down to personality traits and once elected then performance based (maybe) and public relations or soft campaigning between elections. He who has the biggest budget buys the election may not be far from the truth, so the more we debate and get involved the more we negate being sheep and the less important PR is and the more important performance on the job becomes. A real challenge in my mind is a viable alternative. If nothing else taking control through participation puts the power back in our hands so that a gov't with less than 25% of the vote can't be the sole representative of our collective will.

Big gov't - amen, I'd like to see big reductions to big gov't, but I don't have a clear statement on what that would mean to me, less services, lower taxes or more efficient gov't or something else. I don't know enough, but efficiencies would be high on my list. I'd like to see real accountability as in if you steal from the taxpayer in you position of trust you get fired and go to jail and make restitution. Bev Oda and others of her ilk would not be quietly pensioned off, no they would forfeit the golden pension and be subject to criminal charges. On the note of pensions, it used to be they were golden plated in order to attract professions who would take a hit professionally for loss time in their trade and loss income opportunity, it was thought that they would serve the public in office for a short term and then return to whatever profession but that isn't the case, so many are career politicians, it is what they do despite having say a law degree they were never practicing lawyers so why the solid gold pensions?
When I say I want a reduction in government. I mean it. Particularly at the Federal and Provincial Level. I do not want anything from my Federal government but national defense, enforcing contract laws and a few select moral laws. Welfare, unemployment etc.. Keep them all. Most everything else can be better managed by private sector without any government intervention or at a community level. Taxes should be slashed and given back to the people.

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In 2010 (and possibly to this day?) Harper had his former spokesperson pushing the CRTC to allow a "right wing television network modelled along the lines of Fox News."

He who controls the news.....

It's just like the Ford brothers here in Toronto with their radio show. There is nothing democratic about this.
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In 2010 (and possibly to this day?) Harper had his former spokesperson pushing the CRTC to allow a "right wing television network modelled along the lines of Fox News."

He who controls the news.....

It's just like the Ford brothers here in Toronto with their radio show. There is nothing democratic about this.
How about the government stays out of the media industry 100%. Not a penny of tax payers money goes to the CBC or any other station. How about the CRTC get eliminated and as consumer we get to choose what we want to watch. Amen!
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Thing is, they are all beholden to whatever contributors that paid for their election. Until that crooked game is gone, they'll all be the same, just wearing different colours.
There is no, none, zero, democratic process remaining in this country.
If this, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...elections.html ,is happening on a municipal / provincial level, one only has to frame it in the National context (where the BIG money is) to get a grasp of how corrupted the political process has become in this country.

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Cloutier told the commission that the vast majority of political financing in Quebec is dishonest.

He said only five to 10 per cent of funding for municipal campaigns comes from "real" donors. He said it's slightly better on the provincial level.

"I haven't done the calculations, but it's maybe a bit higher 15 or 20 per cent," he told the commission, describing the number of honest and legal donations made to the political parties.
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