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Old 04-18-2013, 09:42 AM   #1
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Who wants a bike from Canada?

I'm offering to ride your bike down to meet you in Latin America, the closer to Costa Rica the better.

Maybe you want to save some money, maybe you can't find your dream bike where you are. Whatever the case I'd rather ride than fly to CR, and I won't need a bike there, so get a hold of me and lets make it happen.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:02 PM   #2
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Thinking this is harder done than said. I was under the understanding that to cross into Mexico with a bike it must be titled in your name. Maybe if you get your TVIP done online you might be able to slide by with another person's name on the bike...

I'm sure some others will chime in on what they know and understand.
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:07 PM   #3
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That was my understanding at every border between USA and approximately Ushuaia. On the other hand, some have apparently succeeded with notarized authorizations, so who knows?
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:39 PM   #4
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Thinking this is harder done than said. I was under the understanding that to cross into Mexico with a bike it must be titled in your name. Maybe if you get your TVIP done online you might be able to slide by with another person's name on the bike...

I'm sure some others will chime in on what they know and understand.
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That was my understanding at every border between USA and approximately Ushuaia. On the other hand, some have apparently succeeded with notarized authorizations, so who knows?
Yeah that was my impression to until Craig Iedema bought a hilux back for a guy from Mexico into the US via AZ and up the San Fran to its rightful owner.

He is ciedema here on adv so would be worth chatting to just having gone through the whole process so we know it can be done.

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Old 04-18-2013, 06:46 PM   #5
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Yeah that was my impression to until Craig Iedema bought a hilux back for a guy from Mexico into the US via AZ and up the San Fran to its rightful owner.

He is ciedema here on adv so would be worth chatting to just having gone through the whole process so we know it can be done.

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Crossing from Mexico in the US is a different story than coming down south.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:37 PM   #6
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Exactly. Entering the USA, usually no one checks or cares what you're driving or whether it belongs to you. Entering Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Costa Rica normally requires documented ownership by someone physically present.

Again, I've heard that this is possible with notarized permission from the actual owner--it's often done in South America, rarely in Central America.

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Old 04-19-2013, 08:54 AM   #7
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Good to know!

Borders are always an exercise in patience, being fluent really helps move things along though. I'm sure I could pull it off, and alternatively if someone was looking to bring down a bike they are not currently the owners of I could always purchase it and sell it to them down there.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:58 AM   #8
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My experience was different.

Crossing into Mexico, the waved us through.

Crossing into USA, I talked to an agent about motorcycles and my trip to Baja for about 10 minutes then left.
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Old 04-19-2013, 09:27 AM   #9
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My experience was different.

Crossing into Mexico, the waved us through.

Crossing into USA, I talked to an agent about motorcycles and my trip to Baja for about 10 minutes then left.
Key word Baja, I'm thinking you did not do a TVIP at the border
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Exactly. Entering the USA, usually no one checks or cares what you're driving or whether it belongs to you. Entering Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Costa Rica normally requires documented ownership by someone physically present.

Again, I've heard that this is possible with notarized permission from the actual owner--it's often done in South America, rarely in Central America.

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We had the exact opposite, we got hammered going back to the US post Ellens crash then rode straight through at Tijuana in Baja no questions.

It really seems hit and miss depending on the day and the border guard(s) on.

Would still be worth talking to Craig as you would think the process is same throughout.
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Getting through the Mexican border heading south is not a problem. The problem comes when you try to get a TVIP in Mexico, which normally requires that the owner be physically present. Sometimes this is done at the border, sometimes later on, sometimes ignored entirely by people who hope they won't get caught. Did you transit without a TVIP? If you got a TVIP, what documents did you provide in order to do so?

And heading north, were you really required by the Americans to prove ownership of a bike you rode across the border? If so, I'll stand corrected.

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Getting through the Mexican border heading south is not a problem. The problem comes when you try to get a TVIP in Mexico, which normally requires that the owner be physically present. Sometimes this is done at the border, sometimes later on, sometimes ignored entirely by people who hope they won't get caught. Did you transit without a TVIP? If you got a TVIP, what documents did you provide in order to do so?

And heading north, were you really required by the Americans to prove ownership of a bike you rode across the border? If so, I'll stand corrected.

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Entering Mexico we got our TVIP in Tijuana after having a Policia escort to the building as it is nowhere near the border.

For our TVIP we had to show passports, original title, our insurance and gave $4 hundy for the deposit.

We did bump into some French people in a van with no TVIP from AZ through to Chetumal, they got away with it even after being stopped twice by the feds, not my gig though I still prefer to do things right and take away a lot of the risk.

Coming back into the US we had to show the frame numbers which were also photographed, (also done in Mexico on handing over our TVIPs), we had to go to the building and pay $6.00 each to extend our B2 VISAs and show our passports, original title, rego and insurance.

They made us pull over from the que as they inspected and photographed things.

I don't know if this is the norm as we have only done it the once, just our experience anyway so I wouldn't say "stand corrected".
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Thanks for the clarification. So entering Mexico, you needed the owner of the bike (yourself) present in order to get a TVIP. Same in the rest of Central and South America, which was the point being made for Blake's benefit.

But entering the USA you had to jump the same hoops along with displaying some bowing and scraping, which surprises me. I'm thinking your experience might be the norm, and I've just been blissfully ignorant since I'm always riding an American bike (or driving an American car) and carrying my American passport. When I enter the States they might interrogate me, search me, or have a sniffer dog put muddy footprints all over my vehicle....but they never care about vehicle ownership, VIN, or all the rest.

Anyone else reporting on their experience with a non-American bike and passport?

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Old 04-19-2013, 07:59 PM   #14
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Entering Mexico we got our TVIP in Tijuana after having a Policia escort to the building as it is nowhere near the border.

For our TVIP we had to show passports, original title, our insurance and gave $4 hundy for the deposit.

We did bump into some French people in a van with no TVIP from AZ through to Chetumal, they got away with it even after being stopped twice by the feds, not my gig though I still prefer to do things right and take away a lot of the risk.

Coming back into the US we had to show the frame numbers which were also photographed, (also done in Mexico on handing over our TVIPs), we had to go to the building and pay $6.00 each to extend our B2 VISAs and show our passports, original title, rego and insurance.

They made us pull over from the que as they inspected and photographed things.

I don't know if this is the norm as we have only done it the once, just our experience anyway so I wouldn't say "stand corrected".
Tada a winner. And the names better be the same on all the documents. The Mexican Aduana are computerized and on the ball. If the OP thinks he can bullshit his way through he is sadly mistaken. BTW you need to check out of Mexico before entering Guatemala, surrender your tourist card and get your passport stamped. Although you can keep your TVIP mine was checked.

A TVIP is not required for Baja but a tourist permit is required. Although no one asked for mine even at the ferry in La Paz.

Back to the OP's original proposal, I'm not sure why anyone would let a stranger ride their bike from Canada to Costa Rica risking damage, theft and a possible impound from attempts to get around the rules
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Thanks for the clarification. So entering Mexico, you needed the owner of the bike (yourself) present in order to get a TVIP. Same in the rest of Central and South America, which was the point being made for Blake's benefit.

Anyone else reporting on their experience with a non-American bike and passport?

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I've entered the states several times with Guatemalan license plate on my bike and not a single time I was ask for registration or title.
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