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Old 05-25-2013, 07:31 AM   #211
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:43 AM   #212
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Plastic skid plate ?
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Old 05-25-2013, 12:24 PM   #213
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ESA 2?

Is $15k the final price? How much on road costs ?

It's $21500 down here in Aust.
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:26 AM   #214
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Mmmmmm loving the GSA. Could be tempted
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Old 05-26-2013, 12:34 PM   #215
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How come on the tech specs of 800 adventure it says its slightly less economical than a standard 800 and less top speed? I thought it was just exact same bike except big tank
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:08 PM   #216
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How come on the tech specs of 800 adventure it says its slightly less economical than a standard 800 and less top speed? I thought it was just exact same bike except big tank
because as you said it's the same engine but heavier and takes more wind with it. When you load your F800GS don't you get lower fuel mileage? physics :o)
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:43 PM   #217
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:11 PM   #218
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An "Adventure" model with a plastic skid plate and street tires????
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Old 05-27-2013, 03:54 PM   #219
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Come on now - this model is nothing worth the extra money. If someone wants a ADV inspired F800 they would be better off getting a used F800GS and then replacing the wheels with some nice Woody's 21/18 and either replacing the forks or swapping to Ohlins drop-ins, then doing the usual air box mods etc etc, ditching the cat and swapping to a better exhaust, and having renazco make a decent seat.

Anything less is just marketing fluff. The model they're posting on the magazines solves none of the established issues with the platform and continues to be just another overloaded wannabe touring bike.

{speaking from experience with tearing the F8 apart to fix all the above mentioned issues and then moving on to more suitable offroad bikes...}
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Old 05-27-2013, 04:43 PM   #220
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An "Adventure" model with a plastic skid plate and street tires????
Strange, but I've seen pictures both with the plastic skid plate and the aluminum skid plate that came on my 800GS Trophy. Not sure which is right.

As for the tires, I don't think too many "adventure" bikes come with real off-road tires. the 1200 GSA comes with street tires too I believe.
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Old 05-27-2013, 05:25 PM   #221
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I don't know if I'm getting the "launch edition". But it's coming with:

Enduro PKG which includes Off Road Mode (ABS/ASC)
Enduro ASC

Luxury PKG which includes Heated Grips
On Board Computer
Center Stand

LED Fog Light

ESA II (electronic Suspension ADJ)

Total Price including destination charge $15,545.

Some people make remarks about the price. It seems reasonable for a BMW. Not for a V-Strom or some other mid sized bikes. Besides, it's only money and you only go around once. Ask me, I know. I'm 71.
No, you're overpaying. Plain and simple. If you want an actual adventure ready F800GS then buy a used one and customize it. The one they're selling as the GSA model is, quite literally, a waste of money. You are not getting your money's worth when you buy into the marketing hype that is very heavily surrounding the GSA version.

I paid $13400 for a brand new 2010 OTD, put around $5-6k into it (including a full WP front and rear suspension, woody's wheels w/ 18" rear, every skid plate possible, EFI controller, arrow headers, leo vince pipe, side+rear racks, tubliss conversion, useable pegs for offroad, Scotts damper, Shorai battery, etc etc etc). That is a getting your money's worth for less than $20k if you want an adventure moto for offroad long haul trips. If you want a name tag with a BMW on it that says "I spend a lot of money" then by all means pay for the hype but this GSA model is not any more adventure ready than the previous version.

If you want extra range there are plenty of other options. If you want a real offroad adventure bike there are better options via significantly cheaper solutions (and not just better by price but better by performance). If you want a name and an image then buy the F800GS Adventure.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:51 AM   #222
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No, you're overpaying. Plain and simple. If you want an actual adventure ready F800GS then buy a used one and customize it. The one they're selling as the GSA model is, quite literally, a waste of money. You are not getting your money's worth when you buy into the marketing hype that is very heavily surrounding the GSA version.

I paid $13400 for a brand new 2010 OTD, put around $5-6k into it (including a full WP front and rear suspension, woody's wheels w/ 18" rear, every skid plate possible, EFI controller, arrow headers, leo vince pipe, side+rear racks, tubliss conversion, useable pegs for offroad, Scotts damper, Shorai battery, etc etc etc). That is a getting your money's worth for less than $20k if you want an adventure moto for offroad long haul trips. If you want a name tag with a BMW on it that says "I spend a lot of money" then by all means pay for the hype but this GSA model is not any more adventure ready than the previous version.

If you want extra range there are plenty of other options. If you want a real offroad adventure bike there are better options via significantly cheaper solutions (and not just better by price but better by performance). If you want a name and an image then buy the F800GS Adventure.
You are making some pretty sweeping generalizations. One man's waste of money can be another man's reasoned purchase.

Money equals time. The time it takes to find and purchase a good used bike, and then to mod said used bike, may far exceed any monetary savings for some. Personally, I try hard to avoid blanket criticism of other's purchases based on my own valuation of time and money. What works for you, and seems the most rational for you, may not be so for every rider on this board.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:05 AM   #223
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One man's waste of money can be another man's reasoned purchase.
Agreed. And to me personally there's a huge VALUE in buying new over used. It's a huge value to me to know exactly how a bike has been treated before I got my hands on it. I'll happily pay more for that. How many horror stories on this board start with: "so I bought this bike from some guy, and now..."
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:39 PM   #224
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I'm only familiar with the Touratech expanded tank, what are the other options besides something like ropax?
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:09 PM   #225
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You are making some pretty sweeping generalizations. One man's waste of money can be another man's reasoned purchase.

Money equals time. The time it takes to find and purchase a good used bike, and then to mod said used bike, may far exceed any monetary savings for some. Personally, I try hard to avoid blanket criticism of other's purchases based on my own valuation of time and money. What works for you, and seems the most rational for you, may not be so for every rider on this board.
He's making points based on personal view of course as well as objective comparison to what else is out there. The f800gs doesn't exist in a vacuum.

Honestly the suspension comments are completely justified. A $15000 bike with no adjustable (in fact deliberately non adjustable is a joke in 2013. Maybe in 1985 it was ok. But with all modern bikes having adjustable forks it is a serious omission.

Shock bolts getting bent is another issue.

Does it cost more to have a well made bike?
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