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Old 05-05-2013, 07:21 PM   #121
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This a post on the pricing from the f800rider:

"Base - $13,550 (Side Case mounts for Alum. Cases, Tank Prot. Bar, Engine Prot. Bar, Hand Guards, Adjustable Foot Brake Lever, Wide Enduro Pegs, Luggage Rack, Large Windshield, Engine Guard, LED Rear Light, Acc Socket)

Premium (Standard Options + Offroad ABS, ASC, Heated Grips, Heated Seat, OBC) - $14,350

Fully Loaded (All Prev Options + LED Fog Lights & ESA) - $14,995

Any other questions let me know. First units should be coming to stores beginning of June.
Visit parts.bmwmotorcyclesofcountryside.com and use coupon code "PROMO12" ! "
Interesting. I wonder what the "Launch" package will come in at.
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:52 PM   #122
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I hate to be negative on this, but, why would I want to trade up to this new one?
Yes, it has more fuel range than my '09, (I get 330km's range EASY before looking for fuel and if I'm going remote, I carry a 5L Rotapak).
Yes, it's got a taller screen. (I'm 5'9" so not needed).
It's got the same engine, it's heavier by approx. 12kg, it's fatter in the arse end and because of this BMW have modified the std panniers which are now smaller than before (judging from the photo's).
My '09 has been setup to my requirements with all the farkles I need and it does the job for me perfectly including std suspension, (something which I may or may not do anything about), and has happily done so for over 40,000km's.
But, if it floats your boat, go for it, each to their own.
Me, no thanks, not enough change to warrant an upgrade.
Just my thoughts.
I doubt you're the target market, so you're interpreting the bike unfairly.

No manufacturer designs a new model with the sole intention of persuading existing owners to trade up. Well, not since Ford wrote "1956" on the grilles of its cars, anyway. Sure, trade-ups are welcome, but the main aim of a release like this is to stimulate new sales from people who weren't considering buying BMW. This update simply gives new buyers a further choice - I'd imagine BMW view it as offering a cheaper alternative to the 1200GSA rather than as an upgrade to the 800GS. (Just like the F800GT is pitched as an R1200RT-Lite, not as a super-dooper comfy F700 upgrade.)

Regardless, don't judge it by whether you'd upgrade to one - judge it by what you'd do if, heaven forbid, your existing ride was stolen and you found yourself in the showroom with a fistful of cash and no bike. Me, I'd choose this over a replacement 800GS, but like you, I don't see value in trading up to it.
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Old 05-05-2013, 10:21 PM   #123
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it a shame they did not add tubeless spoke wheels like the 1200gs/a
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:33 AM   #124
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it a shame they did not add tubeless spoke wheels like the 1200gs/a
That alone would be a factor for some not to buy it but opt for the 1200... win win for BMW.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:02 AM   #125
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That alone would be a factor for some not to buy it but opt for the 1200... win win for BMW.
I was surprised at how close the 1200 and 800 are in weight.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #126
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I was surprised at how close the 1200 and 800 are in weight.
How close the 800 ADV and the 1200 standard are in weight; the 1200 GSA is significantly heavier. All those protective parts and massive fuel capacity weigh something.
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Old 05-06-2013, 03:51 PM   #127
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Question different panniers?

Looks like the panniers will be different because of the larger tank.
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:00 PM   #128
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How close the 800 ADV and the 1200 standard are in weight; the 1200 GSA is significantly heavier. All those protective parts and massive fuel capacity weigh something.
800GS 472 lbs
800adv 505 lbs
1200gs 524.7lbs
1200gsa 570.9 lbs
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Old 05-06-2013, 04:18 PM   #129
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800GS 472 lbs
800adv 505 lbs
1200gs 524.7lbs
1200gsa 570.9 lbs
Also, 2.1 extra gallons of fuel on the GSA add to about 12.6 lbs. The F800GSA is 33 lbs more heavier than the stock F800 wet, so the actual difference is probably around 20 lbs. Which actually speaking isn't bad at all.

Well, they all are heavy pigs
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:04 PM   #130
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Hardly. The 990 is what 20kg heavier? It's also much bigger so its not as good on tough trails.

Agreed on the suspension changes - but BMW has never been into awesome suspension have they?

Imagine how many f800s they'd sell if it had decent suspension - you'd retain all the onroad crew and the Offroad guys would love it.

You don't see people ripping their forks out on their ktms do you?
Well...you may be a wee bit off on weight.
The new F800 Adventure lists at 505 lbs wet.
A 990 adventure R weighs in a around 510 wet.
Apples to apples then.

The F800 engine is smoother and fuels better at lower revs.
Call me a masochist, I kind of like the thrum from the 990 everywhere but the freeway. I avoid freeway slogs so this is not an issue in my book.
Tons of slab and the F800 wins hands down.
Buffeting with a stock 990 faring is awful, terrible, nearly unridable with an XD3.

Having ridden the standard F800 back to back with a standard 990 ADV on the exact same double track and single track was telling indeed. Above 30 MPH there is no comparison. I would attribute this largely to the control afforded by the suspension. Damping and front end torsional stability is in a different league. The F800 wallows in its travel and the forks offer considerably less wheel control on moderately choppy double track.

That said, I prefer the mileage offered by the F800.
The twin tanks on the 990 are a PITA when fueling.

Which was more fun? 113 BHP, roosting and wheelies!!!
Horses for courses.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:45 AM   #131
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That luxury model isn't too terribly far off the current F800GS. $13830 is current price with Luxury and Safety package. You're really looking at paying less than $1200 to get the fuel tank, crash bars, fog lights, wind screen and more robust luggage grid. Not a bad deal if you are in the market for the F800 anyway. Probably not enough to get many upgrade trades.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:19 AM   #132
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At the risk of being positive...

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I doubt you're the target market, so you're interpreting the bike unfairly.

No manufacturer designs a new model with the sole intention of persuading existing owners to trade up. Well, not since Ford wrote "1956" on the grilles of its cars, anyway. Sure, trade-ups are welcome, but the main aim of a release like this is to stimulate new sales from people who weren't considering buying BMW. This update simply gives new buyers a further choice - I'd imagine BMW view it as offering a cheaper alternative to the 1200GSA rather than as an upgrade to the 800GS. (Just like the F800GT is pitched as an R1200RT-Lite, not as a super-dooper comfy F700 upgrade.)

Regardless, don't judge it by whether you'd upgrade to one - judge it by what you'd do if, heaven forbid, your existing ride was stolen and you found yourself in the showroom with a fistful of cash and no bike. Me, I'd choose this over a replacement 800GS, but like you, I don't see value in trading up to it.
Great points, all. Choice is good. And while there's a lot of Monday morning Quarterbacking going on in this thread about what BMW should have done, can we at least agree that having more options is rarely a bad thing? Sure, a high zoot suspension would be great for aggressive, experienced Adventure Tourers. But that's a very small percentage of the market. Added fuel range is something most would agree is a good thing. And since many of us farkle the hell out of our bikes, having a pre-farkled bike is BMW's way of trying to appeal to their buyers. For those that feel they'd do a better job through the aftermarket, get a stripped standard F800 GS, and go to town.

Having an Off Road mode for ABS and ASC will make the bikes more user-friendly and confidence inspiring for riders new to the whole adventure riding thing. As they gain experience and skill, they can turn the features off. But they still have them for on road use. Again, that's a good thing. So let's keep this bike in perspective. As Raider said, it's not an upgrade for current F800 GS owners. It's an option for those that don't own one.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:43 AM   #133
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Blind faith is a folly. Your opinion is as valid as someone who thinks for the money the f8 should be much better.

If ktm can install super adjustable white powers on $8000 mx bike BMW is off target.
So you are trying to convince me KTM bikes are bargains?? :-)

The 2013 Duke rings in at $9000 w/o adjustable suspension - so it's not really cheap. The RC8R is - on paper - more expensive than a S1000RR and that is w/o ABS etc.

I mention that before, when I was looking at bikes last year, the BMW F800GS list price was about $2000 less than that of the KTM 990 Adv R. For those $2000 (or close) I can get my choice of suspension and still have a lighter and less thirsty bike with longer service intervals and a greater choice on dealers.

I think the new F800ADV is a great addition and would probably be one of my choices if I would buy a ADV in the near future, but I would also have a close look at the KTM 1190 R.

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Old 05-07-2013, 12:35 PM   #134
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800GS 472 lbs
800adv 505 lbs
1200gs 524.7lbs
1200gsa 570.9 lbs
Interesting. The 2013 1190 Adventure is rated at 215kg ready to go and with a full tank of gasoline, 23 liters. That is 473 lbs of weight. Tank is 6 gallons. Better suspension and electronics on the 1190. Besides more power, of course. Adventure R is rated at 219 lbs, 482 lbs. 1190 and 1190R come with tubeless rims/tires. 1190 has 19 inch wheel in the front.

Great options!
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:45 PM   #135
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Interesting. The 2013 1190 Adventure is rated at 215kg ready to go and with a full tank of gasoline, 23 liters. That is 473 lbs of weight. Tank is 6 gallons. Better suspension and electronics on the 1190. Besides more power, of course. Adventure R is rated at 219 lbs, 482 lbs. 1190 and 1190R come with tubeless rims/tires. 1190 has 19 inch wheel in the front.

Great options!
In the latest review in "Das Motorrad" the KTM weighed in at 238kg whereas the new BMW showed up with 246kg - with a full tank of gas, that is.

The KTMs Adventures are great bikes, but aren't particularly light and I never understood where that idea is coming from....

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