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Old 04-29-2013, 06:49 AM   #16
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New WC GS

After test riding the new WC it confirmed all the mods I have on my 2010 GSA make it better in all departments...sure the cost was an additional 10K but from slipper clutch , Ohlins and Wunderlich EGRO fairing and Sargent heated seat greatly add to the comfort and is much better than the stock WC.

There is no doubt the full Akro pipe PCV and Auto Tune have the WC feeling weak.
But in the days end to really know what the GSA can do you have to have the riding skills.Crash it and pick it up a few times and take a Rawhyde course then hop on the new WC and ride it the way it's intended.
Judging the GS by a street ride is only expected by all the posers out there.
The slimmer gas tank did feel like it might be easier to correct and throw around but what can you say about a dual sport which still has its skid plate bolted to the oil pan...,
RIDE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT then compare.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:00 AM   #17
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Stock GSA windscreen

Guys the Wunderlich EGRO screen has been out for a while, the shear fact it is adjustable and opticaly correct makes it a no brainer.

True vibration at idle is lots but once under way its gone. The clamp on spoiler we all use is not as tall as the EGRO is fully extended not to mention ...you can see thru it!
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:31 AM   #18
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After test riding the new WC it confirmed all the mods I have on my 2010 GSA make it better in all departments...sure the cost was an additional 10K but from slipper clutch , Ohlins and Wunderlich EGRO fairing and Sargent heated seat greatly add to the comfort and is much better than the stock WC.

There is no doubt the full Akro pipe PCV and Auto Tune have the WC feeling weak.
But in the days end to really know what the GSA can do you have to have the riding skills.Crash it and pick it up a few times and take a Rawhyde course then hop on the new WC and ride it the way it's intended.
Judging the GS by a street ride is only expected by all the posers out there.
The slimmer gas tank did feel like it might be easier to correct and throw around but what can you say about a dual sport which still has its skid plate bolted to the oil pan...,
RIDE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT then compare.
I guess I'm a poser then. I'm not sure how/where one can test ride a new K50 in the dirt before buying. My dealer (whom I've bought 3 bikes from) isn't comfortable with me taking it down the road for a quick jaunt into the woods.

Yet, I feel comfortable enough with my years and variety riding motorcycles that I was able to assess enough differences from the road ride that one can apply through experience and knowledge, how it will perform off-road.

One can only read through this is that the only qualified opinion is one who has ridden a K50 off-road...
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:08 AM   #19
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Feeding the trolls just makes them more hungry.

I have owned three R1200GSA bikes. They are great bikes. For me ready to tour with just the addition of the adventure bags and a Sargent Low seat. Of course I also bolted on a bunch of other stuff. I took my 2011 round trip to the artic circle and it was flawless.

I now own the watercooled GS. The engine and electronics are a huge upgrade. Yes the GSA had better wind protection and a much longer range. But remember the watercooled GSA is not out until next year.

We are talking about a GS so let's compare it to the previous model GS. I don't have any seat time on the previous GS so I cannot be of any help.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:49 AM   #20
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I don't get the comments about the steering being too light. I've had mine for about a month now and love it. The steering is quick but the bike always feels very planted. The only thing I don't care for is that it runs at 4,500 RPM while doing 75 mph. Seems a bit high to me.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:54 AM   #21
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I don't get the comments about the steering being too light. I've had mine for about a month now and love it. The steering is quick but the bike always feels very planted. The only thing I don't care for is that it runs at 4,500 RPM while doing 75 mph. Seems a bit high to me.
Let me preface by saying I've pre-ordered mine...and I'm in the June build...July Delivery... and that was without even test riding one first...

with that said my take from the test ride the other day is that the front end is very light, it felt like I'm on a mountain bicycle. Or that the bike was a fake toy..I couldnt believe this was a heavy beast. I dont have experience with other GS or on/off bikes (previous bike was a Aprilia Futura Sport/Tourer...so I'm hesitant to say if I like or dislike it.

However they have done a remarkable job making a heavy bike feel THAT light... I can see how some might misjudge it as it causes them to feel unsafe.

My thoughts are that on unpaved road anything heavier could have an opposite effect and make it really hard to control...now it will just float...
Plus the effortless steering will make for less fatigueing ride over all and in my oppinion shine in low speed in town bumper to bumper lane cutting scenarios that it flickers through traffic...

I guess I'll have to patiently wait and find out.

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Old 04-29-2013, 12:53 PM   #22
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Let me preface by saying I've pre-ordered mine...and I'm in the June build...July Delivery... and that was without even test riding one first...

with that said my take from the test ride the other day is that the front end is very light, it felt like I'm on a mountain bicycle. Or that the bike was a fake toy..I couldnt believe this was a heavy beast. I dont have experience with other GS or on/off bikes (previous bike was a Aprilia Futura Sport/Tourer...so I'm hesitant to say if I like or dislike it.

However they have done a remarkable job making a heavy bike feel THAT light... I can see how some might misjudge it as it causes them to feel unsafe.

My thoughts are that on unpaved road anything heavier could have an opposite effect and make it really hard to control...now it will just float...
Plus the effortless steering will make for less fatigueing ride over all and in my oppinion shine in low speed in town bumper to bumper lane cutting scenarios that it flickers through traffic...

I guess I'll have to patiently wait and find out.

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Your point about feeling like a mountain bike is probably why I like it, because I mountain bike quite a bit. Again, the quick or "light" steering never feels twitchy or unstable, just a pleasure while negotiating the bike at slow speeds in tricky terrain. When cooking through the twisties, it is extremely stable -- it holds your line very well even in unsettled pavement, but if you need to change your line it does so quickly and without fuss.
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Old 04-29-2013, 03:43 PM   #23
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I guess I'm a poser then. I'm not sure how/where one can test ride a new K50 in the dirt before buying. My dealer (whom I've bought 3 bikes from) isn't comfortable with me taking it down the road for a quick jaunt into the woods.

Yet, I feel comfortable enough with my years and variety riding motorcycles that I was able to assess enough differences from the road ride that one can apply through experience and knowledge, how it will perform off-road.

One can only read through this is that the only qualified opinion is one who has ridden a K50 off-road...
I test rode one in the dirt, had it for a day. Of course, I'm in Melbourne Australia and actually decided to rent one from here: http://offtrackmotorcycles.com.au/

I wasn't sold on it before I headed into the dirt, then switching it over to Enduro I couldn't believe how much it changed the bike. From what I was thinking was a fantastic road bike (assuming of course that this meant it was going to be awful in the dirt) to being stunned at how well it handled the dirt as well. My order will be in any minute now.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:23 PM   #24
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Your point about feeling like a mountain bike is probably why I like it, because I mountain bike quite a bit. Again, the quick or "light" steering never feels twitchy or unstable, just a pleasure while negotiating the bike at slow speeds in tricky terrain. When cooking through the twisties, it is extremely stable -- it holds your line very well even in unsettled pavement, but if you need to change your line it does so quickly and without fuss.
This was exactly my chief impression both times I test rode the new WC GS. Somehow they've lowered the center of gravity but you've still got the same amount of weight to "plant" the bike on the road, as you say,"never feels twitchy or unstable". My opinion, that's the best new feature of this bike. I'm not sure but it looks like the opposed cylinders are even positioned a little higher than previous models and to lower the center of gravity in spite of this seems pretty remarkable to me. It feels almost like I'm riding the power of 1200 cc's down the road on the weight of what might be a 650cc, but stable.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:04 PM   #25
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The new GS is designed with it's competition in mind, including the multistrada. I test rode the 2012 GS and the ducati back to back and chose the ducati. Many others have done the same thing. The new GS has taken a step towards the Multistrada.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:12 PM   #26
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After test riding the new WC it confirmed all the mods I have on my 2010 GSA make it better in all departments...sure the cost was an additional 10K but from slipper clutch , Ohlins and Wunderlich EGRO fairing and Sargent heated seat greatly add to the comfort and is much better than the stock WC.

There is no doubt the full Akro pipe PCV and Auto Tune have the WC feeling weak.
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I you think an exhaust and Power Commander on your 2010 GSA (with all that extra weight) surpass the 15 extra horsepower and 4 extra torques of the new liquid cooled boxer-- well...
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:26 PM   #27
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I test drove the Water-Cooled (WC) 2013 GS too. I'm waiting for an adventure model to come out. The dealer said they haven't heard anything about it, but they said many buyers are buying 2013 oil-cooled bikes, just so they can get the adventure package.

In any case, I rode the 2013 WC GS at Iron Horse Motorcycles in Tucson, AZ. It was a base model without ESA. I have a 2000 BMW r1150gs with 22k miles on the clock that is absolutely flawless and has a heck of a lot of performance upgrades.

But, the 2013 WC is unlike any bike I've ever ridden. Period. The power was incredible. I was wearing the salesman's helmet and riding jacket. I didn't have any boots or protective pants, so I tried to keep things under control.

Though, I was hitting 80 mph., as if the thing was a sportbike The brakes are insanely powerful and crisp. I didn't give it full throttle, but I came close and the front wheel was barely on the ground. It would have power wheelied in first gear without any issues at all.

The windscreen's adjustability is pure gimmick. It's a nice try, but it still doesn't offer much protection. But, I think it will be much easier for the aftermarket crowd to work with.

I must agree with those who said the bike felt like an 800gs. It just felt light. It was very nimble and though this bike did not have traction control (just full power), it was VERY smooth.

This sound strange, but the only bike I can compare it to is my 2012 BMW S1000RR. The WC GS is that good. The demo was listed at $17k, which didn't include so much as hand brush guards.

But, I priced out one of the bikes they have that can be customized and has yet to go into production. For $21,000+/- I could get nearly every option, such as spoked wheels, vario luggage, GPS wiring (which is super cool actually), cruise control- CRUISE CONTROL on a GS? How cool is that...ESA suspension and LED headlight. The LED headlight is incredibly trick.

My 2012 S1000RR has 130 miles on it. Obviously, I'm not riding it much. It was $21k OTD. Though, I was just offered $7,500.00 for my 2000 BMW R1150GS. That's hard to pass up!

My only concern is how light this bike felt and if that light sensation is going to transfer over to the freeway. Under heavy power, it absolutely needed one thing, which was sorely missing: a steering damper. That's an easy fix and I'm sure someone will come up with one, as the power delivery on this bike is very surprising.

To me, it reminded me of the light, agile, and precise feeling of a Suzuki GS 500e (the naked version of the bike), but in a dramatically more refined package. I spent several hours with the bike, but it only took me 1-minute of riding to know that I wanted one.

I had no trouble touching the ground, and stopping with one foot, even though my inseam is just 29.5 inches. I'm 5'9" so my upper body is long (which is why sportbikes fit me VERY well).

This is absolutely a bike that the "kids" who can afford it are going to be turning into Super Moto bikes, like some have down with the multistrada. Having said that, this bike is in a league of its own. There's no comparison between the Duck and the Beemer. There is always the danger of buying a first year BMW, and that's why I'm holding off. I've been there and done that with BMW too often. I've learned my lesson, both with their automobiles and their motorcycles.

But, next year's 2014 model specs will be released within the next 4 months, at the latest. It's worth the wait. But for those who have no problem buying first year bikes (I only have this rule with BMWs and it's only based on personal experience, so don't flame me too badly), I'd say there's not a more refined motorcycle that BMW has in it's lineup.

At least, not in its performance lineup. This bike is going to be a game changer. It's going to be just like the 2000 r1150gs. Everyone else is going to be playing follow the leader.

if you have the cash or you're in the market for a new bike, you must ride this bike. I REALLY would not purchase this bike without riding it first. It's handling is vastly different from past GS'. Its handling is outstanding, but some may prefer the heavier feeling of the older design.

If I were to compare this to a car, the first that comes to mind is an Acura NSX. It can be driven like a Honda Accord all day long. But, on the weekends, when it's time to have fun, a few blips of the throttle turn it into a beast that few riders will ever be able to reach the limits of. This is the first GS, that I'd love to take to the track and see what it's capable of. It's that good on-road.

Unfortunately, the bike had 100% street tires on it, and I was nowhere close to any trails. But, with the seemingly drastic lower CG, this bike should fare just as well off-road as it does on-road. Again, I strongly recommend riding this bike before buying it, even if you must drive a couple hours to do so. It's so different from the other GS', you really can't trust your dealer if he/she tells you that the only difference is the water cooling. Wrong. It's turned into a Formula 1 "sport touring adventure, do-it-all bike." In fact, I believe it's created a new segment of sport touring bikes, that can carry enough "junk" to ride around the world, but will also cruise happily at 135-140 miles per hour. The bike I road had a 170mm rear tire on it, and it was clearly leaned over to the point that the edges of the tires were gumming up, just like an S1000RR.

Not a single complaint can be found. I can't wait to order one and I'm strongly thinking about breaking my own rule, regarding first year/first model bike purchases, in order to get my hands on one quicker.

Behind the S1000RR, it's the best bike I've ridden during the past decade, hands down. GO BMW!!!!
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:37 PM   #28
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Need some help out here. I've been riding for 51 years now and raced on and off road for a number of years. I ride about 20k a year on my 10 concours and my tricked out 08 klr. Would someone please explain the BMW GS to me. When I see a loaded GS coming down the road my heart skips a beat. So cool that's what I want to travel on, Oh the trips I could take on that bike. When I bought the Concours myself and my two V Strom riding buddies road a 1150 for about 125 miles through serious twisty road. We switched bikes frequently and as much as we all wanted to like the 1150, we all thought the V Sroms were quieter, smoother, and handled much better. For a LOT less money. I'm doing a four corner ride in a few months and with high hopes tested a new 1200 wc last week. I was so let down, I wanted this to be the bike. It had great power, but I have never heard a bike make this much noise. It sounded like a harvester in a rock covered wheat field. It also made a loud whooping pulsing noise at about 65, and the front end was kind of sketchy, on twisty pavement. also very klunky gear box. Is it me or is there a BMW gs thing like a Harley thing that I just don't get.
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Old 05-01-2013, 06:20 PM   #29
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Is it me or is there a BMW gs thing like a Harley thing that I just don't get.
Some people really like the feel of a big twin. Some don't. You may be one of those who don't. Within the "like big twin" group there are sub groups: those who like boxers, like the V (Harley), like the L (Ducati), like the transverse V (Moto Guzzi), etc. If you like a boxer big twin you ignore engine noise, telling yourself that it only sounds louder because the cylinders are sticking out there in the wind.

I often tell new boxer riders to wear (better?) ear plugs... it makes their bike run better.
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:25 PM   #30
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I own an 08 MegaMoto, that is easily one of the greatest bikes I've ever ridden. I've test plenty of bikes, including GSs and GSAs. I really liked the GSA. I couldn't stand the gs. These were the oil head models. For the wc gs, the engine is nice, but it lacks character like my MegaMoto. The windscreen was shit. The handling was a bit twitchy for a bike like this. Someone nailed it. BMW went backwards to compete with the Ducati. I guess I'll wait for a GSA or I'll just pick up an 1100GS and build it the way I want it.


And yes, BMW has the same kind of loonies that Harley has. While at the "round the world/reveal" thing here in Vegas, some snobby gs and GSA guys were telling me to sell my "worthless" bike and pick up a "real" bike. When the BMW riders came in, three of them migrated towards my bike.

"Is this yours?" one of them asked.
"Sure is," I said.
"I have one back home. It's one of the funnest bikes Ive ever ridden," the Russian accented guy said.
"Whatever you do... Never sell it!" the third guy said.
I looked up at Mr Snobbypants and smirked.
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