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Old 05-06-2013, 08:06 AM   #46
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I take those 30 seconds to sort of meditate.

Funny. I do the same

Helmet on, jacket zipped before getting on the bike. On commute days, make sure security badge ID tucked in on collar

On the bike, kick up, petcock,choke,key,starter

Gloves on while engine warms. Watch the gauges. Choke off once everything 'settles'.

Grab front brake, rock, release

Grab rear brake, rock, release

Lean over, visual on both tires

Clutch/front brake on, drop into gear. Klunk! (it _is_ a KLR!)

Then thirty seconds or so 'hang time' to look out at the world, smile and think how f'ng lucky I am to be sitting there.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:37 AM   #47
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So, who is in denial? I just think its a bullshit statement, made out of fear, or of wanting everyone to crash so they'll be just like they guy that says everyone will crash.

I don't have a fatalistic view of things. Practice, training, and having a proper attitude and properly working bike will keep most people safe.

If you think that everyone has to, or is going to crash, well, you're defeated already, and should probably hang it up.
I wouldn't wish misfortune upon anyone, but my opinion is that many of those who claim to have never dropped a bike are either in total denial or are just bullshitters.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I've gone on my ass a few times in 50 years of riding, nor have I ever been afraid to ride. It's something that I understand and accept as part of the experience.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:44 AM   #48
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I wouldn't wish misfortune upon anyone, but my opinion is that many of those who claim to have never dropped a bike are either in total denial or are just bullshitters.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I've gone on my ass a few times in 50 years of riding, nor have I ever been afraid to ride. It's something that I understand and accept as part of the experience.
I've crashed my dirt bike, many times. If you don't crash in the dirt, you aren't trying hard enough. I tipped over on the street, once, in 1979, wasn't a crash. I'd like to think I get my crashing out of the way in the dirt, low traction conditions and all, and so far, I haven't actually crashed on the street. I know a few other guys like this too. I know plenty of guys that have thrown it down hard on the street.

I keep hearing left turn/cage stuff about causing crashes. In my experience, nearly all the crashes I've witnessed, have been due to riding too fast for a), experience, or b), conditions. Almost all were guys out hauling ass. Completely avoidable.

Pete, do you think a crash is inevitable for everyone on the street? If it was, I wouldn't ride.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:27 AM   #49
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I've crashed my dirt bike, many times. If you don't crash in the dirt, you aren't trying hard enough. I tipped over on the street, once, in 1979, wasn't a crash. I'd like to think I get my crashing out of the way in the dirt, low traction conditions and all, and so far, I haven't actually crashed on the street. I know a few other guys like this too. I know plenty of guys that have thrown it down hard on the street.

I keep hearing left turn/cage stuff about causing crashes. In my experience, nearly all the crashes I've witnessed, have been due to riding too fast for a), experience, or b), conditions. Almost all were guys out hauling ass. Completely avoidable.

Pete, do you think a crash is inevitable for everyone on the street? If it was, I wouldn't ride.
I don't think it's inevitable, but there are times when nothing can be done to prevent it. Things that can't be seen like spilled diesel or coolant or a car or truck launching something from the road. I once saw a baseball sized rock flung from between a set of duals where it had been wedged.

Riding on the street, one can reduce many of the hazards by riding smart and assertively, and avoiding actions that would increase the chances of crashing or a collision. It's a thinking man's game, and the more concentration you can give it, the safer you will be.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:54 PM   #50
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Sounds reasonable, but that isn't how statistics work. Assuming identical conditions, no one ride, or no single ride 100 times increases the odds.

Then again, the real world doesn't always follow statistical norms.

Jim
That's correct, the chances are not cumulative. Think of it like flipping a coin. Each flip is independent of all the others; that is whether the coin came up heads or tails last time has no bearing on the result for the next flip.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:53 PM   #51
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Three for One

Only the first one to see a gremlin gnawing at a harley has the right to call the bell futile.
Since gremlins are not interested in other bikes, we have to hold our peace.



The saying about bike having been down/will go down is about falling not about crashing. So it is presented here, anyways.
And when riding gets demanding (dirt, track, trick) falling is just part of the experience.


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Old 05-06-2013, 08:34 PM   #52
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I always leave something behind,,get on the bike,,no glasses. Dang!

or go out to the bike, lock the door behind me, shit! no gloves!
Seems like I always forget something that makes me unlock the shop and go back in after it. not habit,,maybe age related,

Only "superstition" I have is more like an omen,,
If I start off some morning and see pelicans flying,(or feeding) it's gonna be a great day!
Ever watch them feed? they circle the wagons and trap the fish in the center,, and gorge!
Ever watch them fly?,,Masters of high elevation and looong glides,,like fly across half the state for a drink with buddies for the day! Most graceful in flight of all birds IMO.
Klamath Union High Skool,,Klamath Falls orygun,,GO PELS!
My childhood buddy and brother, he and I rode to Canadia,,not too bad the first day,,second day,,rain, mudslide, ugly skies, no progress,,get a motel and quit for the day!,,Next day, somewhere near Odessa, WA,,a ribbon of a lake and a vast pelican gathering,(they do fly in parties, no shit!),on the water, and high overhead circling for the party. The entire rest of the trip was beautiful mild weather and sunshine. Blessed by the highskool mascot!

Years later,, the same sort of thing,,had a slow start towards Colorado,, saw pelicans overhead,, trip was all fair sailing!
Now, my brother is gone, cancer took him,, I still look up for pelicans when I start out on a trip,, and when I see them I know,,and speak into my helmet,,"StevenE,,this is gonna be a wonderful day,, I saw pelicans!"
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:56 AM   #53
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i allways take the bike off the side stand before i get on the bike and will get off before i use the sidestand mainly becouse i am short.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:14 AM   #54
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i allways take the bike off the side stand before i get on the bike and will get off before i use the sidestand mainly becouse i am short.


































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Old 05-07-2013, 05:22 AM   #55
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I never say "....that would never happen to me."
But you just did, lol.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:52 AM   #56
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i allways take the bike off the side stand before i get on the bike and will get off before i use the sidestand mainly becouse i am short.
I do it the other way around, because I am short! I actually use the sidestand to hold the bike up while I step on the peg with my left foot to swing my right over. I sometimes dismount that way too, if I have a bag on the back.

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Old 05-07-2013, 07:01 AM   #57
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I used to always give a fist bump onto the bike seat before I got on the bike, as a self-reminder that I was going to stay upright that day.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:00 AM   #58
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I wouldn't call what I do a superstition. I compulsively thumb my turn indicator cancel button. I've always done this. I just can't stop.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:32 AM   #59
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When getting ready to depart anywhere from home I do the following: keys in ignition, set gloves on the tank, resting slightly on the triple clamp, helmet on seat. Start the bike, put earplugs in, make sure they are seated, zip up then button up jacket. Walk around the bike to make sure nothing weird is going on. But helmet on. Put gloves on, leave.

This mostly because my Multistrada need about 1 minute to warm up or it runs like shit for the first 10-15 minutes of riding and it means I don't forget anything.. like earplugs.

At home stuff my bag in my top case, lock top case, open garage door, start bike. Put on over pants, then boots, then jacket, ear plugs then helmet, then do my once over inspection. Finally put on gloves because they live on the pillion seat (4 bikes in a 1 car garage, each owned by one of us and all 4 of us ride daily and use bikes as our primary vehicles so it's kinda crowded.) and leave.

When getting off the bike away from home. Kill switch, ignition off get off bike, gloves off, helmet off, ear plugs out. Earplugs go in right inner jacket pocket. Lock steering, open topcase, grab bag, stuff helmet and gloves in topcase (unless it's cold and I'm going to have space to stash them inside where ever I'm at). Lock top case, keys always go in left inner jacket pocket, (when I first started riding I had several panic moments were i though I lost my keys because of misplacing them and once twice I set them down a restaurant table so I make a ritual out of where they go.) then walk around bike to inspect. Head inside. this takes me about a 1 minute.. usually.

Wow I just wrote several paragraphs about getting on and off my bike.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:52 AM   #60
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"It's a thinking man's game, and the more concentration you can give it, the safer you will be."

I love that thinking man's game part.. it really summarizes what is different from driving the cage; and, what makes us different from "them."
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