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Old 05-07-2013, 07:23 PM   #61
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Me too.

Nothing really to contribute to this thread, but I want one of these:


police road king
I love road kings. You can pick up a 2009 police road king for 13-14k. The only thing that puts me of the police version is that the wiring harness and switch gear is a bit different and it's not easy to retrofit a cruise control. Plus they are normally single seaters and I need the pillion seat for the wife or kids.

Great bikes though and my next bike will almost definitely be a road king.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:27 PM   #62
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Oh and I'm 6ft and 270lbs with a 28" inseam.
With a 28" inseam you will definitely want to test ride an HD Bagger!
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:49 PM   #63
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I guess some personal info would be helpful. I ride to work pretty much every day. I use the bike in the weekends to run of my errands. Most weekends my wife and I will go for an all day trip on the bike. We have started with short overnight trips and some 4 day weekend camping trips. In fact right now I'm on a 9 day bike tour of Florida. Almost all the long distance trips will be two up, and we need room for all our camping gear.

As for maintenance I'll do the basics, oil, plugs, brake pads, brake line replacement and flushing , front and rear shock replacement. I do this stuff because I'm cheap and want it done on my schedule not when the shop can get to it. I'll bring it to the shop for a valve adjustment. I'd prefer to be riding so ease of maintenance and reliability are very important to me.

What I want is a bike that I can ride all day and be comfortable. My wife and I have the time and inclination to see the country via bike. I just don't have a bike that's comfortable enough for me to do it.

Oh and I'm 6ft and 270lbs with a 28" inseam.

And BMW touring bikes are out.. I've never liked them.
You seem to be a man made for a HD.

I disliked 'em and badmouthed 'em til I rode one. Now I travel all over on one, and my wife likes going with. Big time carrying capacity on the newer models...I think about 80 to 100 lbs more than a Goldwing, which is also a really nice mile muncher.

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Old 05-07-2013, 08:12 PM   #64
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Most weekends my wife and I will go for an all day trip on the bike. Almost all the long distance trips will be two up. What I want is a bike that I can ride all day and be comfortable. My wife and I have the time and inclination to see the country via bike.
Here's your answer. Sounds like some 2-up saddle time is in order. EagleRider or one of the other rentals. Take your time and get her opinion.

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:20 PM   #65
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Me too.

Nothing really to contribute to this thread, but I want one of these:



police road king

I'd want an '09+ model for the new chassis.
Wait a minute...11 FLHP with Thunderheader. That's my bike at Barb's HD.


The Pollice Electraglide and Road King are definitely the best value in HD touring bikes. IF you are willing to do away with the police controls on the right bar you can adapt the factory cruise for a few hundred bucks.

The standard cop air ride (now shock/spring) seat is a bit of a stretch for my 30" inseam due to it's elevated position but it is an all-day seat. The Mustang passenger pillion is reputed to be female butt friendly by everyone who has gotten one (we haven't got one yet), even more so than the HD Sundowner two-up seat.
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:39 AM   #66
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6' with 28" inseam? You must be a sight to admire!
I'm 5'6", with a ~29" inseam. I've an 04 Road King.

Few things with regards to seat height on the Harleys, Road Kings in particular.

The 09? frames are lower slung than the earlier frames. The seating segment of the frame is removeable with bolts, which has several aftermarket people making even lower brackets. This era will get your seat down the lowest.

Stock shocks are 13", 12" will fit, but reduces travel a bit and is more prone to bottoming out. There are also 11.5", 11" and even a 10" aftermarket shocks for the rear of all eras. I happen to run 12" on mine, and I can bottom them out on more ADV type roads, or even regular potholes. I may end up going back to the 13" shocks, though I like the better footing with the 12" shocks, especially when shoving the bike backwards.

Forks can be lowered by 1" or 2" as well. It is recommended that you no do this until you've lowered the tail. I have not done this yet. Again, more prone to bottoming out.

Reach seat lowers you and brings you forward a bit. Super reach on the later models (not available for the earliers RK) brings you down a little more, and further forward. Sit on these seats before comitting! I've got one, and can't say I particularly like it. It's deeply scooped, so it holds you, intimately.

Sundowner seat also gets you down lower, and is a heck of a lot more comfortable than the reach seat, imo. It's wider and more plush than the reach seat. I have what I think is a Sundowner on mine, but it's got no label so I'm not 100% certain of that.

Harleys are wide in general, so lower seats can splay your legs further, actually making it harder to get your feet on the ground. This is why, I think, the reach seat doesn't get my feet to the ground any better than the 1" taller Sundowner seat does. If I take my seat off and sit on the frame, my legs are so splayed out I can''t reach the ground at all. I need the lift from the seat foam in order to bring my legs down to the ground.

The police seat picks you up several inches. This is not the setup for smurfs! Nor will the air pillow seat and such be. I've also got a police seat. It's comfortable, but not as comfortable as the Sundowner is.

Softtails are lower slung than the touring bikes. If you really want low, these are the bikes to look at. See if you can deal with the ride quality and vibration. These are not the luxury cruisers the touring bikes are, but they aren't rough as a cob either, from what I understand. I've actually never ridden one, just sat upon them.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:57 AM   #67
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I'm all torso as my wife says.. Sucks for finding pants but great for squats and deadlifts . I'm not too concerned about seat high. I've only ever had tall bikes and have never lowered them and I can flat foot the Electra glide and the wing.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:28 AM   #68
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With what you want to do with the bike, a BMW RT is perfect. But You don't like BMW's and I am not sure BMW sells step stools, they are tall bikes, but do have good ground clearance for camping.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:35 AM   #69
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You can RENT a harley or gl1800 at most Eaglerider outlets. Take one for the day and see what you think.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:01 AM   #70
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With what you want to do with the bike, a BMW RT is perfect. But You don't like BMW's and I am not sure BMW sells step stools, they are tall bikes, but do have good ground clearance for camping.
Is it taller than a vstrom, or an xr650l, or a cr500? If not then it should be fine. Buy yeah like I mentioned I've never really liked bmws with the exception of the gs series.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:31 AM   #71
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I don't know what anyone elses definition of a touring bike is, but after reading the above replys, we tour differently. As far as I know there are only two touring bikes on the market. One starts with BMW K1600LT and the other starts with an H and it is not Harley but Honda, as in the GL1800! They are the only two bikes that I know of that offer a silky smooth engine, excellent weather protection, cruise, sound system and enough comfort for repeated 800+ mile days.
I respect the fact you stated the above as your opinion, and not fact. And I agree that the Wing and the LT are nice touring motorcycles, especially if you like having your feet locked in place under you, behind parts of the motorcycle, which many people are just fine with.

Where I'd suggest you expand your knowledge is on the smooth engine in the rubber mounted Harley. Get the RPMs above idle, and the engine smooths right out. In fact, there is less buzziness (high-frequency vibration) in a Harley at speed than any other motorcycle I've tried, including Wings. You never hear about grip puppies or bar end weights on a rubber mounted Harley, because they are not needed. On the other 4 issues you listed as important to touring, the Harley hits the bull's eye. On the silky smooth issue, the Harley accomplishes that in it's own way.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:34 PM   #72
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"I respect the fact you stated the above as your opinion, and not fact. And I agree that the Wing and the LT are nice touring motorcycles, especially if you like having your feet locked in place under you, behind parts of the motorcycle, which many people are just fine with."


"Where I'd suggest you expand your knowledge is on the smooth engine in the rubber mounted Harley. Get the RPMs above idle, and the engine smooths right out."


In fact, there is less buzziness (high-frequency vibration) in a Harley at speed than any other motorcycle I've tried, including Wings. You never hear about grip puppies or bar end weights on a rubber mounted Harley, because they are not needed. On the other 4 issues you listed as important to touring, the Harley hits the bull's eye. On the silky smooth issue, the Harley accomplishes that in it's own way.

Ergonomically, both the LT and GL place you in the most comfortable position for riding distances on a motorcycle. There has been alot of research in this field.

Let me just say that I like old Harleys (Flat head, Knuckle, Pan and Shovel) because of what they were, not what they were trying to be. Rubber mounting is fine as long as the rubber is fitted right or is in good shape, but rubber starts drying out as soon as it is produced. Just get it in that smooth spot and put your hand on the air cleaner. If it is moving there is vibration going through that bike. You can balance a nickle on the 1800 wing and rev it up, the nickle will stay on edge. Try that with a Harley.

You are right, they don't have high frequency vibration (but neither does a in-line 6 or a flat 6) But a Harley does vibrate and any vibration is the enemy when riding distances. I have many friends that ride big distances and not so big on Harley's, but all Harley riders that I have seen(100's) have one thing in common when they ride distance, especially through the mid west where traffic commonly moves faster than 70mph. They look beat up at the end of the day, because they have been hammered all day by a V-twin traveling at true highway speeds. Rubber mounted or not!

I am not bashing Harley's because if you just want to go out and cruise around they are a hoot. But if you are traveling distances, there are much better bikes! Nothing said above is meant to offend anyone, but physics are physics!
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:49 PM   #73
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I'll offer my personal experiences and I'm sure someone will call me an idiot but here goes. I went from a 2004 GL1800 that I rode 67,000 miles to a 2011 Ultra Limited. I kept the Ultra for about 15 months and put 27,000 miles on it including riding from Alabama to Hyder AK. I'm now riding a 2012 GL1800 with only about 6ooo miles. Both the Wing and the Ultra are fine long distance rides and at least for me similar comfort. The Ultra has a better sound system which includes a very usable intercom with VOX. There were a couple of things I never got used to with the Ultra so I went back to a Wing. The thing that ultimately made be get rid of the Ultra was the very grabby front brake combined with severe nose dive. When turning into a parking place the front brake would grab and the nose dive and throw the bike off balance, not good with a 900 pound machine. By the way the Ultra weighs so much because it's mostly metal instead of plastic.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:55 PM   #74
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Let me just say that I like old Harleys (Flat head, Knuckle, Pan and Shovel) because of what they were, not what they were trying to be. Rubber mounting is fine as long as the rubber is fitted right or is in good shape, but rubber starts drying out as soon as it is produced. Just get it in that smooth spot and put your hand on the air cleaner. If it is moving there is vibration going through that bike. You can balance a nickle on the 1800 wing and rev it up, the nickle will stay on edge. Try that with a Harley.

You are right, they don't have high frequency vibration (but neither does a in-line 6 or a flat 6) But a Harley does vibrate and any vibration is the enemy when riding distances. I have many friends that ride big distances and not so big on Harley's, but all Harley riders that I have seen(100's) have one thing in common when they ride distance, especially through the mid west where traffic commonly moves faster than 70mph. They look beat up at the end of the day, because they have been hammered all day by a V-twin traveling at true highway speeds. Rubber mounted or not!
It is very apparent you haven't ridden a new Harley touring bike.
I've never owned a bike that is smoother at 70mph and I've owned a few, like more than a dozen.
I've also done a good number of big mile days on it and never feel beat up unless it's a 500 mile day with big crosswinds (think Nebraska in 100 degree heat with 40mph crosswinds).

If you had spent any time on one you'd know you're way off base and reality isn't even close to what you're stating like it's a fact. I'm not even a HD defender and I think it's pretty off.
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:39 PM   #75
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Ergonomically, both the LT and GL place you in the most comfortable position for riding distances on a motorcycle. There has been alot of research in this field.

I have heard and read this. I also LIVED IT. I have nothing but love for my wing, but after 5 years and 130K+ miles, I was tired of being in pain.
Sooooo, off to another type of ride. SO far so good. I like IBA rides and belong to a group that escorts these. We ride along to be of help for anyone who needs to drop out for what ever reason. No one left alone and we are pretty familiar with the routes we take and can do a lot of logistics for the folks that just want to "do it" and don't really get into the planning and preparation of these types of rides.
Just so you don't go off saying I don't "ride". Not everyone lives up to the research thing.

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