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Öhlins TTx22 front fork kit 5 2.48%
Öhlins TTx44 Mk-II rear shock 11 5.45%
Both of the above 57 28.22%
I'll stick with my WP stuff and spend the money on beer 129 63.86%
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:28 PM   #31
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I have enjoyed a complete Ohlins front fork for over 2 years with a revalved and re-sprung rear shock on my KTM 950 SE and would love to balance the bike with a TTX44MKH with the same travel. The value of this kit will depend on the optional spring rates and matching internal valving available to optimize this investment. The Ohlins front forks offer incredible compliance on small and medium bumps yet stiffen up progressively to prevent harsh bottoming. I am sure Powercell will offer complete tuning solutions as all his projects have shown his dedication and expertise on the KTM 990/950 bikes.I look forward to his opinions and accept that he does not tolerate fools lightly! I am willing to put up funds to further his research into providing a balanced and optimized suspension solution! thanks!


Thanks for the confidence! All spring rates will be available. I've been working with Cannon Racecraft for years and they custom make all my springs. I'm currently running a 59.5 up front and a 11.2 out back.

I've also been experimenting with a uniquie carbon fiber spring lately. It's not a typical coil-type spring, but offers tremendous weight savings and tunability... 50% lighter than titanium! We'll see how it goes. Today I was attending the SAMPE show at the Long Beach Convention Center. One of the Manufacturers there had a CF coil-type spring built for Factory Connection. It weighed nothing but had some serious packaging challenges. I think there's a future in CF, but it's gonna require a purpose-built shock to handle them...


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Old 05-07-2013, 10:17 PM   #32
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Would this setup have hi/low comp + rebound, or or comp/reb only?
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:18 PM   #33
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Dumb question from a suspension noob - I do a lot of travel at moment (200-500 miles/day) and am always looking for something to make the bike handle better when loaded.

I am not the great gun many here are, but the two areas I find the stock suspension lets me down are
- high speed gravel/sand (say 80-100mph stuff) where I am looking for a little more compliance in loser/softer stuff and not that heart in the mouth stuff when you hit it.
- tracks that have a lot of big rock on them, embedded in the ground, I find this hard work if I want to push a reasonable pace.


So I guess what I am saying I would (depending on price) have a interest in some kit that would work well on bike that is used as a daily travel bike.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:06 AM   #34
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Would this setup have hi/low comp + rebound, or or comp/reb only?

Of course. The Öhlins TTx features 2 seperate and completely independent compression adjustments; low and high speed, as well as an isolated rebound adjuster. The high speed compression circuit is something new as well, as it is not simply a blow-off valve, but a seperate valve stack that features an adjustable base fulcrum. What this means to you is that for the first time ever, you have truly effective HS adjustability without effecting your LS settings. It's also the only motorcycle shock available that completely seperates compression and rebound functions.


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Old 05-08-2013, 10:09 AM   #35
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Dumb question from a suspension noob - I do a lot of travel at moment (200-500 miles/day) and am always looking for something to make the bike handle better when loaded.

I am not the great gun many here are, but the two areas I find the stock suspension lets me down are
- high speed gravel/sand (say 80-100mph stuff) where I am looking for a little more compliance in loser/softer stuff and not that heart in the mouth stuff when you hit it.
- tracks that have a lot of big rock on them, embedded in the ground, I find this hard work if I want to push a reasonable pace.


So I guess what I am saying I would (depending on price) have a interest in some kit that would work well on bike that is used as a daily travel bike.

You would benefit most from the TTx22 fork kit...


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Old 05-08-2013, 11:07 AM   #36
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More stuff for the farklehorse.

Since its been years when i last ventured the offroad on the 950. I can still remember when i couldn´t get more out of the standard suspension(04 s). I got SPS to take care of the front and it raised my speed with 30 km/h overall. Suspension IS speed and it is very nice to see some serious shot at this in the Öhlins way. I have since upgraded to the WP 320mm front/rear, though i still need to go for some offroad to test this.

And that coil-less Dungey/Roczen shock, did it not run air?

btw... pictures or you didn´t do it :-)
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:10 PM   #37
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I'd be interested at some point when the cash flow catches back up to the purchasing.. lol.

I've had fox, ohlins and penske on bikes in the past (mostly road racing) but know what good suspension does for any bike. My 950 SE came with SPS suspension on it, but I haven't spent any time working on dialing it in. Some say it's good, some say it's not, my problem is I ride mine mostly off road if I have the options. On my 450 there's a local shop (KTM World/Highland Park) that's pretty well known for the little bike suspension setup. I've got their "works" package on my XC and it's nice.. would like to have something similar for the 950. The last hare scramble I did out there I rode the 950- I know I was bottoming a lot during the race. The part of the loop around the MX track wasn't kind to big orange.

related to Ohlins, I know a couple of guys up there (joey S mostly) and live fairly close (ok 2 hours or so but still it's no problem to plan a trip up there, some nice roads around there!) so if they need a "mule" or something similar I'd be glad to work with them on it..

lastly, I've seen the 320mm suspension that someone offers for the 9x0 bikes, what is the travel on the 950 stock vs what we might be looking at with the Ohlins?

I'm assuming it's the fork internals and a replacement rear shock? A lot of my friends are running the ohlins internals in their road race bikes and are very happy with them.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:18 PM   #38
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I would definitely like to upgrade at least the rear shock on my SE. If money is good I would do both but don't want to dig to deep into my beer fund. Excited to see prices. Thanks Ken for always developing new products for my favorite bike I've owned!
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:48 PM   #39
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lastly, I've seen the 320mm suspension that someone offers for the 9x0 bikes, what is the travel on the 950 stock vs what we might be looking at with the Ohlins?

I'm assuming it's the fork internals and a replacement rear shock? A lot of my friends are running the ohlins internals in their road race bikes and are very happy with them.

You know, I've seen several people refer to 320mm front suspension. Originally Pyndon, and more recently Alex at Konflict. I'm not sure if they're transposing numbers or what, but the stock KTM EXC/SX forks run 300mm/302mm respectively. WP stuff is already a little edgy when it comes to overlap between the fork housing and the stanchion tubes (Öhlins complete forks run 24mm extra), so I can't recomend or even imagine pushing them another 20mm. The big bikes place a crap load of force on the fork slider bushings. To decrease that overlap even a small amount can cause the fork bushings to wear quickly and the forks will start to flex and become unstable.

Maybe the confusion is they're really only referring to the shock. I haven't spoken to either about it. You can extend the length and travel of the shock, but this will unfavorably upset the frame geometry. You could try and compromise by running a dual-stage rear spring so that any added travel is only realized as droop, but that's not going to benefit you as much as you might hope as it causes the shock to pump. The true solution out back would require a shock relocation and modding both the under seat tray and the subframe.

Another issue with the forks is the bottom triple-clamp. It rides approximately 25mm lower than a KTM thumper. You just don't have the room available for this kind of travel without building all new fork housings and stanchion tubes from scratch (~$10k). If I were to attempt this I would definately upgrade to a 52mm fork tube and increase the overlap. Unfortunately, this would raise the seat height by another couple of inches!

I believe shorty Adventure forks are 235mm, SER forks are listed at 250mm (resticted due to the aweful rear shock), and S forks are around 265mm. I run the max physically available without unbalancing the geometry... 277mm. Any more than that to me requires a frame redesign...



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Old 05-08-2013, 03:26 PM   #40
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So whats the ball park figure....$$$ How many beer tokens are we talking here?
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Old 05-08-2013, 03:31 PM   #41
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So whats the ball park figure....$$$ How many beer tokens are we talking here?

This isn't an easy task, and that's why Öhlins has shyed away from it. I'm working on the challenge from a couple of different angles, some relitively straight forward, some complex and very costly. I should know more about pricing in 30 days or so. A great deal of the pricing hangs on participation and that's why I've put this poll together...


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This isn't an easy task, and that's why Öhlins has shyed away from it. I'm working on the challenge from a couple of different angles, some relitively straight forward, some complex and very costly. I should know more about pricing in 30 days or so. A great deal of the pricing hangs on participation and that's why I've put this poll together...


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I would have thought Ohlins would do some credible market research... Numbers are likely to be small, so the case of spreading profit will be negligible.

So I guess we're looking at pro prices + a bit more?
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Old 05-08-2013, 03:45 PM   #43
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So I guess we're looking at pro prices + a bit more?

We'll know in a month or so... until then it'll be just like the night before Christmas!


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Old 05-08-2013, 04:02 PM   #44
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:06 PM   #45
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If you can get me a gear higher thru the whoops, I'm in.

LOL... nice. Depends on where you're starting from, but from a stock SER it'll give you 3 gears!


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