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Old 05-09-2013, 09:19 AM   #1
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If you had a motorcycle with no title, no cert. of origin... owner gone?

All right, so let's talk hypothetically here for a moment. I am in no way in this situation, I'm just saying if I WERE in this situation, what should I do?

Hypothetically, let's say your aquaintence buys a brand new motorcycle in 2008 off the show room floor with cash. Said hypothetical motorcycle is worth around... $12,000. Hypothetically, you stick a plate off of one of your bikes and ride the motorcycle 8 miles over to your house, where you have a garage he can keep it in while he learns to ride. Then said aquaintence decides to take for a spin, gets a quarter mile up the road and drops it (again, hypothetically) doing some damage (bent bar, broken lever, broken foot peg, sratches). Hypothetically you help your friend get it back to your garage, and tell him to go get it registered, insured, etc. the next day and then report the accident to his insurance (sketchy, but hey... it was 5 years ago... you were hypothetically younger and dumber).

Now, let's say said aquaintence leaves your house and you never hear from him again. He never returns your phone calls, he quits the job he was working at where you knew him... you don't really remember where he lives... you have no way to get in touch with him. You leave him multiple messages, etc.

Fast forward 5 years. Hypothetically you're getting sick of looking at his somewhat desirable bike with a pretty decent used demand sitting in your garage. You've tried reaching out to him over the years to no avail. You've had a friend of a guy who knows a guy check out the VIN and it's never been reported stolen, never been registered, never even been titled. Hypothetically you've tried going back to the dealer it was purchased from to see if you could get a new certificate of origin, but the dealer says no without the original owner there in person showing ID.

So here's the hypothetical question. Now you have a bike that's been sitting in your garage for 5 years, unable to contact the owner, unable to do anything to get it made legally yours so you can sell it, and worried that you've entered into some sort of verbal contract to store his bike indefinitely and you may be liable if, years down the road, he comes to his senses and starts looking for it.

What do you do?
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:23 AM   #2
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:49 AM   #3
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You may have an abandoned vehicle claim?
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:05 AM   #4
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You may have an abandoned vehicle claim?
I would go with this. In Virginia it can be considered an abandoned vehicle even if you originally gave the owner permission to leave it there. Check your DMV website for specifics about abandoned vehicles.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:11 AM   #5
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https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#abandoned.asp

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Mechanic's or Storage Lien (MSL)

https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/vehicles/#msl.asp
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:22 AM   #6
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I guess I should add that hypothetically you're in Massachusetts.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:39 AM   #7
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I am in VA, didn't mean to imply you..er the hypothetical property owner is.


http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Ge...r90/Section22b

Looks like, hypothetically, all the Mass gov would let the hypothetical property owner do is tattle so they can fine the hypothetical bike owner, and then they scrap the hypothetical vehicle.

Of course IANAL and I only glanced over the law.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:44 AM   #8
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I am in VA, didn't mean to imply you..er the hypothetical property owner is.


http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Ge...r90/Section22b

Looks like, hypothetically, all the Mass gov would let the hypothetical property owner do is tattle so they can fine the hypothetical bike owner, and then they scrap the hypothetical vehicle.

Of course IANAL and I only glanced over the law.
Yeah, that's what my hypothetical research has found. Hypothetically one should push it into the street and report it to the police as abandoned, I think. But it seems kind of a shame.

Then again, if you hypothetically pushed it into the street and reported it abandoned to the police, then whatever happened to it from there would be out of your hands, wouldn't it?
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:57 AM   #9
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Part it out? Hypothetically of course.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:10 AM   #10
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cash sale to someone who needs a getaway vehicle.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:40 AM   #11
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http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655441

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Old 05-09-2013, 11:46 AM   #12
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Hypothetically throw all the parts on a titled frame...
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:20 PM   #13
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This thread is AWESOME!!! (hypothetically, of course...)

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Old 05-09-2013, 12:27 PM   #14
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Try to go the legal route first, if you exhaust every way possible, buy a frame with a clean title and hypothetically move everything over to the clean titled vehicle.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:54 PM   #15
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Hmmm... I found this:

https://secure.rmv.state.ma.us/Polic...edvehicles.htm

Which is essentially the same thing ITS does in Montana, but one could hypothetically do it themselves in MA. Does anyone know of an insurance company that would issue a bond so it wouldn't hypothetically have to come out of pocket? The hypothetical NADA value of the bike is right around $5,000, so it'd be $7500 for the bond, hypothetically.

Then again, one hypothetically wouldn't have a signed bill of sale. Ugh.

Is there an innmate that is an attorney in MA?
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