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Old 03-16-2014, 09:04 PM   #1
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Clutch???

I had my 08 990S up on its center stand the other day. While doing some chain cleaning I had the bike in gear while spraying some lube. I noticed when I pulled the clutch lever in the wheel kept spinning. It took a heavy foot against the wheel to stop it. I could feel the resistance of the wheel trying to spin. I could hold it but if I took my foot off it would start again. Is this a clutch going out or some sort of clutch bleed issue? I've checked around but don't see this topic discussed. The clutch has 25000 miles of pretty ordinary use. 70% road 30% off.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:03 PM   #2
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Normal, drag from the oil in the clutch cause this, if clutch jet is opened up its even more drag = harder to find neutral not noticed on normal gear shifts.

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Old 03-16-2014, 10:09 PM   #3
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Thanks. Always glad to know I worried for nothing.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:37 PM   #4
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I have never tried this. But it wouldn't hurt to check clutch fluid, check for leaks and bleed.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:17 PM   #5
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Checked fluid at lever. Looks fine. I'll have to read up on how to bleed but not a bad idea.
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:21 AM   #6
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perfectly normal on every bike I have ever owned.
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:42 AM   #7
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Normal, drag from the oil in the clutch cause this, if clutch jet is opened up its even more drag = harder to find neutral not noticed on normal gear shifts./Johan
What is the "clutch jet"? My '04 is dragging noticeably and it's tougher to find neutral, but the friction/engagement zone seems to be in the right spot. The HOW indicates a TSB applies, but the link is a dead end.
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What is the "clutch jet"? My '04 is dragging noticeably and it's tougher to find neutral, but the friction/engagement zone seems to be in the right spot. The HOW indicates a TSB applies, but the link is a dead end.

This is it


It is in here.


Remove this to get to it.

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Old 03-17-2014, 07:09 AM   #9
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What is the "clutch jet"? My '04 is dragging noticeably and it's tougher to find neutral, but the friction/engagement zone seems to be in the right spot. The HOW indicates a TSB applies, but the link is a dead end.
Are you getting a jerky engagement/grabbing clutch when first starting out for the day?
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This is it
It is in here.
Remove this to get to it.
And if it doesn't come out with the tool you use to remove it, one little squirt of compressed air should pop it right out. Just be sure you have something above the hole to impede its travel as it shoots out of there so you don't loose it!
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Old 03-18-2014, 11:53 PM   #11
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This is it


It is in here.


Remove this to get to it.
Thanks -- I think!
I'm on international travel and cannot see the pics (yet); suspect they're "censored" where I am , but look forward to the seeing insight by this weekend.
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Old 03-19-2014, 12:01 AM   #12
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Are you getting a jerky engagement/grabbing clutch when first starting out for the day?
"Yes, but...." it's NOT just first shift of the day (I've experienced sticky clutch plates after periods of sitting; this is not the same). I've also experienced fairly significant shift quality differences depending choice of oil.

My sypmtoms are the same regardless of how long the bike's sat, or what the oil temp is. They did, however, arise shortly after a major service that included an oil change and new slave cylinder.

I'm secretly hoping a return to OEM Motorex will get it back to the smooth, crisp shifter it once was.....but I am not optimistic.
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Old 03-19-2014, 04:09 AM   #13
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Do you know what oil they used? I have an 04 also and like you have different shift experiences with different oils. Some are like night and day.

How many miles on the bike?

Another thing to try if changing the oil and cleaning the oil jet doesn't work is to reverse or swap the last clutch plate.

The last steel plate that is up against #11 (Bellville washer) gets grooved. Swap it for another plate in the stack.

It's an easy job, 15-20 minutes. Lean the bike over and remove the outer cover. Remove the 6 bolts and springs that hold the pressure plate. Pick all the plates out and swap the last steel for any other. Put it back together.





I had clutch engagement problems for quite some time. Changed the clutch rod, oil jet, slave and different oils but still had the grabbing symptom when starting out. Swapping the steel plate solved the problem and it's been like a new clutch since.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:24 AM   #14
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So Boatman, to be more specific with the schematic, what your saying is to switch out the number 7 plate closest to the number 11 ring with another number 7 plate from further back in the stack?
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Old 03-19-2014, 09:29 AM   #15
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So Boatman, to be more specific with the schematic, what your saying is to switch out the number 7 plate closest to the number 11 ring with another number 7 plate from further back in the stack?

Correct. It seems the bellville washer (#11) wears a groove in the disc face.
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