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Old 01-06-2014, 04:17 PM   #1
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So you wanted a KTM1190 Adv?



Rear sub frame failure via a friend of a friend.

Bike did hit a large hole causing a bottoming of suspension.

It would appear that part of the sub frame that mounts the mud guard and CPU has failed causing them to drop onto the tyre.



There are a couple of ways of looking at this:

1. I feel much better about the F800 because with all the 2 up riding and load carrying I've done...and I've really over loaded it and pounded the crap out of it...the sub frame has never been an issue at all.

2. I'm glad I didn't rush to jump on the Orange band wagon. If there are issues with the sub frame strength I'd have been the one to find them.

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Old 01-06-2014, 04:25 PM   #2
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The original facebook post from the owner:

"Looks like 1190 won't handle a few rough dirt roads?? Whole back end broke and fell Ito the back wheel. Biggest problem is, that's where the engine computer is. For hom home with cable ties and duct tape"

This sparked a BMW V KTM argument between me and my peeps.

They've been dutifully pointing out all the final drive failures of BMWs. I've been pointing out I don't own a BMW with a bevel drive.


The fact that I swapped out my suspension in order to make the F8 better than a Kato has been pointed out. I fail to see the relevance.
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:28 PM   #3
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:53 PM   #4
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690 is the new cool orange by anyway. Your like a year to slow!
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:09 PM   #5
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Snowy, you should post this exact same thread in Orange Crush, ya know, for shits and giggles
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Old 01-06-2014, 06:54 PM   #6
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:41 PM   #7
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Snowy, you should post this exact same thread in Orange Crush, ya know, for shits and giggles
Moi? But I don't go looking for trouble....


I wanted the new Kato so bad. It just goes to show I suppose, the grass isn't always greener.

They aren't a bad bike, they have a lot of good points, but I'm seeing a few curious failures from friends and acquaintances that own them.

Which I suppose raises the question, has anyone ever experienced a failure of an F800 rear sub frame that wasn't accident damage?

Purely for comparative purposes for potential buyers...of course.
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Old 01-06-2014, 10:48 PM   #8
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Hmmm, is that a composite subframe or metal?
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:12 PM   #9
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Don't know. I can't remember exactly how the sub frame looked. I had a little cursory glance over my friends when we went riding, but I haven't seen it in pieces.

I would have liked to see a before and after picture of the damage. Seeing it wrapped in tape and cable ties isn't really productive, and opens the potential debate to speculation.

They are a very nice bike, and all accounts are that they live up to the expectations of the owners. The failures I've heard of are random in nature. Possibly one offs.

I don't know how much load this particular bike was carrying, or how hard he hit when he bottomed out. Anecdotal evidence is that he thinks it inappropriately failed for the conditions.

But that could be a cover story for a warranty claim in my view.

It's a potential issue. No confirmation from independent sources.
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Old 01-07-2014, 09:13 AM   #10
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I would venture to say there was more to the story than just a simple bottom out. Kind of like that BMW swingarm that cracked with a small bump story.

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Old 01-07-2014, 09:34 AM   #11
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Rear sub frame failure via a friend of a friend.

Bike did hit a large hole causing a bottoming of suspension.

It would appear that part of the sub frame that mounts the mud guard and CPU has failed causing them to drop onto the tyre.



There are a couple of ways of looking at this:

1. I feel much better about the F800 because with all the 2 up riding and load carrying I've done...and I've really over loaded it and pounded the crap out of it...the sub frame has never been an issue at all.

2. I'm glad I didn't rush to jump on the Orange band wagon. If there are issues with the sub frame strength I'd have been the one to find them.
You don't need to post this in Orange Crush. Guys that ride KTMs get around. Looks like an unfortunate accident. I'm sure if this was a defect, it was taken care of in the 2014 model. Nothing to worry about. Keep on enjoying your BMW's. I know my wife loves hers.

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Old 01-07-2014, 09:49 AM   #12
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On the plus side, everyone that has a 990 just got a bump in price in the used bike market.
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:34 AM   #13
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has anyone ever experienced a failure of an F800 rear sub frame that wasn't accident damage?
No,but you'll find some who had it with the 650 X-Challenge

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I would venture to say there was more to the story than just a simple bottom out. Kind of like that BMW swingarm that cracked with a small bump story.
Correct. How many % of the sold 1190 suffered from this?
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Old 01-07-2014, 11:23 AM   #14
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Even though this one is an ouch, I will say that nothing surprises me. No matter of if you paid 20k.....60mill. Or in my case US$ 11.5 mill. One week old, and the radar misbehaves, and needs replacing. Cost 175.000 US. No sweat, covered by warranty. Only difference here that I see between the Bike OEM's is how they manage to claw them self out of supporting their bike. This is for both BMW, and KTM, and other OEM bike makers. BMW have had their share of crap, and still does, as does KTM..... Suzuki on their DRZ's had motors grenade, because of primary nuts coming off....Fix... red loctite. Some of the stories of unsupported behavior, is very disrespectful, and ignorant, to say the least. That is where the similarity's end between bike OEM's, and aircraft OEM's. But as far as braking...... They all do that. Look at the B787. If I liked, and was in the market for the new KTM, I would still buy it.....In a heat beat, as would I with the BMW . I do hope they cover it. Now, in the mean time, I will hop over to Wichita, KS, and have my new radar installed, as it should be.



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