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Old 06-05-2013, 09:25 PM   #121
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Sorry, But i was defending the kTM,You started by complaining about the various failures of your friends KTM's. Well i have been with a bike licence for 38 years and have had many bikes,at least 30,And i will say right now my KTm has NEVER left me by the side of the road anywhere.I am on my 3rd KTM and have been everywhere from Inuivik to California on them,They are just as good as any other bike out there.

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Old 06-06-2013, 07:35 AM   #122
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Sorry, But i was defending the kTM,You started by complaining about the various failures of your friends KTM's. Well i have been with a bike licence for 38 years and have had many bikes,at least 30,And i will say right now my KTm has NEVER left me by the side of the road anywhere.I am on my 3rd KTM and have been everywhere from Inuivik to California on them,They are just as good as any other bike out there.

Okay,back to the 1190
When I get my new 1190 R, we'll meet up somewhere and drink a beer or beverage of your choice together ! ! ! I have family in BC, it could give me a good reason to come visit them.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:58 AM   #123
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When I get my new 1190 R, we'll meet up somewhere and drink a beer or beverage of your choice together ! ! ! I have family in BC, it could give me a good reason to come visit them.
Sounds good, I am also waiting on the new 1190 to get here.Sold my 950S Adventurer last fall and miss it already.At my age the Adventurer tourer ticks off all the boxes. Tour, Scratch,Dirt,and its fairly comfy for a old guy.
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:44 PM   #124
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I'm new here, and have signed up to watch how you develop the 1190, and especially to hear what you think of it. I apologise if I've missed an intro thread - but I have not been able to find one to intro myself properly.

I can immediately see it's going to be great offroad, but would love to hear what you think of it's on road performance, particularly fast road riding in comparison to other bikes, such as a GS.

The reason for asking is that I've just about ready to replace my current GS, and need to make a decision between the Adventure R and the new GS. I do understand the fundamental differences, and I know the GS will do what I need, but I prefer the KTM in so many ways, although I want to understand if it can be ridden quickly on the road - like a GS or a Tiger can.

I'm thinking if it can be ridden well on road, then I would probably have two sets of wheels. One with the Conti road attacks, and the other with TKC's.

If it's a wallowing elephant on the road, then I'll probably be swayed to the GS, and just put up with it's comparative lack of off road ability and lower HP.

Having said this, the KTM really excites me, and the new GS appeals like any great German machine does, but doesn't really get my blood pumping. The base Adventure doesn't interest me at all. It's really only the R that I can see me swaying from a GS.
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Old 06-08-2013, 01:55 AM   #125
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I'm new here, and have signed up to watch how you develop the 1190, and especially to hear what you think of it. I apologise if I've missed an intro thread - but I have not been able to find one to intro myself properly.

I can immediately see it's going to be great offroad, but would love to hear what you think of it's on road performance, particularly fast road riding in comparison to other bikes, such as a GS.

The reason for asking is that I've just about ready to replace my current GS, and need to make a decision between the Adventure R and the new GS. I do understand the fundamental differences, and I know the GS will do what I need, but I prefer the KTM in so many ways, although I want to understand if it can be ridden quickly on the road - like a GS or a Tiger can.

I'm thinking if it can be ridden well on road, then I would probably have two sets of wheels. One with the Conti road attacks, and the other with TKC's.

If it's a wallowing elephant on the road, then I'll probably be swayed to the GS, and just put up with it's comparative lack of off road ability and lower HP.

Having said this, the KTM really excites me, and the new GS appeals like any great German machine does, but doesn't really get my blood pumping. The base Adventure doesn't interest me at all. It's really only the R that I can see me swaying from a GS.
It can do anything that GS and tiger can do and it also got 150 hp when you want it and can perform as good as Ducati multisrada on Tarmac but one good point is it can do bloody good off road.

R version seems to be better on off road and standard is seems to be better on high speed tarmac but I don't agree I think both can do everything they are just specialise on specific things 1190 r can do very serious off road 1190 standard could be very good two up loaded with bags on Tarmac .

Both bikes got serious power and toque but also got offroad abs and offroad fuel maps. In off road mode the bike make 100 hp and the character is changes completely . R comes with good pair of manual WP suspension the standard comes with WP electronically adjustable suspension.

Well both got a sports mode which produce 150 hp traction control is off . And I don't think it's sports mode it should be hooligan mode.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:10 AM   #126
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but one good point is it can do bloody good off road.
Your is the standard 1190, right? Have you taken it off road just on easy trails or did you push it into rough terrain?
I think the 1190R should be as good off road as a standard 990 but I wonder how the smaller wheels and short suspension travel manages gnarly stuff, where 21/18 wheels rules...
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Old 06-08-2013, 10:35 AM   #127
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Great thread with good info...so here's my comments and question...

One of the best features of any KTM is the suspension and your ability to tune it to your physical size and riding style without sending it for modification. Of course, many have the forks revalved anyway. I've had a 950Adv with Superplush forks, a couple 690e's and a 990Adv with stock suspension. I have always felt that I could dial things in to my personal specs. For the record, I'm 57yo, 6'3" and 230lb.

What have you done with your suspension given your age, physical parameters and riding style?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-08-2013, 03:18 PM   #128
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I'm new here, and have signed up to watch how you develop the 1190, and especially to hear what you think of it. I apologise if I've missed an intro thread - but I have not been able to find one to intro myself properly.

I can immediately see it's going to be great offroad, but would love to hear what you think of it's on road performance, particularly fast road riding in comparison to other bikes, such as a GS.

The reason for asking is that I've just about ready to replace my current GS, and need to make a decision between the Adventure R and the new GS. I do understand the fundamental differences, and I know the GS will do what I need, but I prefer the KTM in so many ways, although I want to understand if it can be ridden quickly on the road - like a GS or a Tiger can.

I'm thinking if it can be ridden well on road, then I would probably have two sets of wheels. One with the Conti road attacks, and the other with TKC's.

If it's a wallowing elephant on the road, then I'll probably be swayed to the GS, and just put up with it's comparative lack of off road ability and lower HP.

Having said this, the KTM really excites me, and the new GS appeals like any great German machine does, but doesn't really get my blood pumping. The base Adventure doesn't interest me at all. It's really only the R that I can see me swaying from a GS.
I think this is the dilemma for most people looking for a bike in this segment. I own a Ducati Multi Strada, and don't do a lot of dirt riding, although grew up in the bush and rode the gravel when young. I just want the best of both worlds if the opportunity arises and as such have been test riding the new GS and the KTM. The KTM has the power responses of the Multi Strada , feels slightly lighter than the GS . THe GS for me felt more refined and not like it was a first year model. Although the KTM is priced a little better the GS has more options including Cruise control.

ON road both bikes felt good , the KTM has a bit less wind protection, but seemed to get over illegal speeds with out thinking. Top end was where the KTM was much better than the GS, you only had to think about an overtake and the KTM was around , the GS you had to think if there was enough room.

I am opting for the GS as I think the KTM needs a bit more time for refinement . I'll keep my multi so I'll not have the perfect solution I was after. The turn offs for the KTM (T) for those interested:-

1) Heating issues, 2) No Accessories in stock , 3) No cruise control , 4) No rebound damping on rear , 5) Old style electronic suspension which may be upgraded next model 6) Wind protection, 7) uncomfortable seat , 8) Integration of electronic modes , 9) small dealer network, none in Australia's 8th largest city. 10) Owned BM's before and have had best all round ownership experience.

Most of the above are minor, and if you have ever owned a Ducati and posted stuff like this you would be told in no uncertain terms these sorts of things are the barriers to entry and keep the bike unique and in the hands of enthusiasts. I'd like to own the KTM but am just not enthusiastic enough for now.


If the bush is a big part of your calling it seems the KTM would be the bike pulling you towards ownership, for me it is getting to the bush that calls me the most.

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Old 06-09-2013, 06:00 AM   #129
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I think this is the dilemma for most people looking for a bike in this segment. I own a Ducati Multi Strada, and don't do a lot of dirt riding, although grew up in the bush and rode the gravel when young. I just want the best of both worlds if the opportunity arises and as such have been test riding the new GS and the KTM. The KTM has the power responses of the Multi Strada , feels slightly lighter than the GS . THe GS for me felt more refined and not like it was a first year model. Although the KTM is priced a little better the GS has more options including Cruise control.

ON road both bikes felt good , the KTM has a bit less wind protection, but seemed to get over illegal speeds with out thinking. Top end was where the KTM was much better than the GS, you only had to think about an overtake and the KTM was around , the GS you had to think if there was enough room.

I am opting for the GS as I think the KTM needs a bit more time for refinement . I'll keep my multi so I'll not have the perfect solution I was after. The turn offs for the KTM (T) for those interested:-

1) Heating issues, 2) No Accessories in stock , 3) No cruise control , 4) No rebound damping on rear , 5) Old style electronic suspension which may be upgraded next model 6) Wind protection, 7) uncomfortable seat , 8) Integration of electronic modes , 9) small dealer network, none in Australia's 8th largest city. 10) Owned BM's before and have had best all round ownership experience.

Most of the above are minor, and if you have ever owned a Ducati and posted stuff like this you would be told in no uncertain terms these sorts of things are the barriers to entry and keep the bike unique and in the hands of enthusiasts. I'd like to own the KTM but am just not enthusiastic enough for now.


If the bush is a big part of your calling it seems the KTM would be the bike pulling you towards ownership, for me it is getting to the bush that calls me the most.

......I will comment on this bike as a previous gs diehard in a couple of weeks when I pick up my new R...I too loved the way the Gs railed around the twisties. effortless and amazing lean angles...but in the bush was a handfull... On my quick ride on the R, I felt immediately at home and was throwing it in to corners within 5 minutes. which is unlike me. I usually like to get a feel for a bike before I do those things,Off road was not far away so I went down a few tracks and it really did feel like a big trail bike.. so far I have been very impressed... I felt disappointed the new GS didnt do it for me....anyway I will try to give a fair comparison soon.. the good and yes the bad too...
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:01 AM   #130
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Your is the standard 1190, right? Have you taken it off road just on easy trails or did you push it into rough terrain?
I think the 1190R should be as good off road as a standard 990 but I wonder how the smaller wheels and short suspension travel manages gnarly stuff, where 21/18 wheels rules...

i took it to off road which was gravel for a mile. i dont have any experince in off road just watch some videos and stand on the pegs and go the bike is positive you dont feel like the bike will lose or understeer ! 40 mhp and also you can speen the back wheel or lock it . emergency braking if fantastic . there is alot confidence from the bike.

i also took it to sort of dry farm with water patches as soon as you raise the bike with 2 pillion +bags option the bike didnt touch the floor at all. i can say it did gave more confidence then BMW GSA as i test ride it off road as well. i can imagen the 1190 r must have very serious off road if the standart is this good . i had a friend near me with bmw gs water cooled , anywhere that bike can go the 1190 can go as well. i think Ktm really raise the braket, even a man like me coming from ZZR1400 can do some dirt.

never test riden the 1190r but i think it must be really good off road as the front wheel bigger but i dont know how it handles at tarmac on highspeed? 990 used to be good but 1190 is almost perfect.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:13 PM   #131
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The reason for asking is that I've just about ready to replace my current GS, and need to make a decision between the Adventure R and the new GS. I do understand the fundamental differences, and I know the GS will do what I need, but I prefer the KTM in so many ways, although I want to understand if it can be ridden quickly on the road - like a GS or a Tiger can.

I'm thinking if it can be ridden well on road, then I would probably have two sets of wheels. One with the Conti road attacks, and the other with TKC's.

If it's a wallowing elephant on the road, then I'll probably be swayed to the GS, and just put up with it's comparative lack of off road ability and lower HP.

Having said this, the KTM really excites me, and the new GS appeals like any great German machine does, but doesn't really get my blood pumping. The base Adventure doesn't interest me at all. It's really only the R that I can see me swaying from a GS.
G'Day,

I am certainly not the world's greatest road rider but I would be surprised if equivalent riders on the KTM and BMW were too far apart . The 1190 certainly has a lot of power to play with and unlike many of it's competitors, you can actually change the character of the bike via the clickers. Wind them up and the bike is firm but will take most things you throw at it and seems to encourage you to go faster. Personally, spending a fair percentage of my time on trails, I like a more compliant setup and have found that so far, all within the parameters of the stock suspension. Even with a knobby shod 21" front rim, the bike feels stable at somewhat irresponsible speeds too.

My previous bike was a Tiger 800XC and I was amazed at it's abilities on the road. That bike just seemed to tuck into tar corners like it was made for it and I really expected the 1190 to be a step backwards in that regard. So far I have been pleasantly surprised though.

Good luck with the decision making process.
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Great thread with good info...so here's my comments and question...

One of the best features of any KTM is the suspension and your ability to tune it to your physical size and riding style without sending it for modification.

What have you done with your suspension given your age, physical parameters and riding style?
G'Day,

So far I have only played with the clickers and at the moment I am still hitting things and smiling to myself because it is so good. The stock settings were harder than I prefer on a big bike so I backed them off to roughly midway and really can't see a need to change them at the moment. I have bottomed it a couple of times hitting some sharp edged obstacles at speed but overall it is a very compliant setup and I doubt I will have a need to go near a suspension tuner (and normally I am a fussy bugger in this regard).
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Your is the standard 1190, right? Have you taken it off road just on easy trails or did you push it into rough terrain?
I think the 1190R should be as good off road as a standard 990 but I wonder how the smaller wheels and short suspension travel manages gnarly stuff, where 21/18 wheels rules...
G'Day,

I haven't spent a huge amount of time on a 990 but given the choice, I think I would take a standard 990 over the standard 1190 for off-road riding? The advantage of a 21" rim (capable of running decent off-road tyres) is quite sizable in my experience. Add in the extra suspension travel and ground clearance of the standard 990 and I think it is still the pick of the two. The 1190 certainly delivers a really well metered power delivery in off-road mode though and the MTC and ABS are really well calibrated and in my opinion are actually worth leaving on (whereas I believe that most adventure bikes are hopeless in this regard when you venture beyond the bitumen).
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The 1190's gearbox is a cracker. I think it is one of, possibly even the smoothest, gearboxes I have come across so far (my Suzuki heritage can't believe I just wrote that ). The ratio's are widely spaced and it engages effortlessly but I am finding that 6th only becomes relevant at around 130kph. With that kind of spread, I just fitted a 16T front sprocket to make 1st a little lower for tackling tight off road situations. I suspect that I may end up running a larger 45T rear (42 Stock) down the track but I will see how the simple front swap goes for the moment. The front sprocket (and I think the rear?) is the same pattern as the 990's.

While I was in the process of swapping the sprocket I thought would pass on a neat trick I saw here on Adventure Rider for undoing the primary nut. In the past I have found it necessary to use an impact gun in this situation but some clever Austrian has given this some thought and made the axle spanner attachment from the toolkit slide onto nut and sit into a groove of the chain buffer on the swingarm.




All you do then is rotate the rear wheel clockwise (I know this seems counter-intuitive until you think about the process) and the nut is undone.
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All you do then is rotate the rear wheel clockwise (I know this seems counter-intuitive until you think about the process) and the nut is undone.
Nice.

But you need to be more specific, clockwise from the lhs of the bike, ie looking at the sprocket. NOT the rhs.

Or even easier, rotate the wheel backwards.
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