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Old 06-28-2013, 09:28 AM   #151
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Nico Roe testified that Finnell pulled up alongside the BMW and made his aggravation clear. "They were giving the guy the finger, yelling at him, waving at him. They wanted to make sure that the driver of the BMW saw what they were doing," Roe said.

That's when Eggers allegedly swerved into the motorcycle on purpose. He then sped away from the crash.
Well, not the best move when totally defenseless on a bike ...
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:15 AM   #152
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Yeah, blame the bike.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:16 AM   #153
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Yeah, blame the bike.
I don't think he is blaming the bike, but they had a part to play in this by putting themselves in that position.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:58 PM   #154
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...they had a part to play in this...
When our daughter got her licence a few years ago, I advised her to not flip the bird, gesticulate, or stare at bad drivers, as you never know who is behind the wheel, and what their state of mind is; there are some rolling powder kegs out there.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:22 PM   #155
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I don't think he is blaming the bike, but they had a part to play in this by putting themselves in that position.
Obviously, he had done something else to them just previous to that.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:27 PM   #156
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What establishing that 'the finger' was flown and witnessed does, however is preclude the defense from claiming it was all just a mistake, the driver never saw the motorcycle and the contact was 'an accident'. This was deliberate. He had motive. He was going to 'get' that guy that 'dissed' him.

Hope he likes how this is all turning out. If he does not serve a long sentence in incarceration ( very likely he won't ) then at the VERY least this person ( can't quite call him a man ) needs to be BANNED from operating a car for a LONG time. He can have a moped.

A pink one.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:42 PM   #157
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What establishing that 'the finger' was flown and witnessed does, however is preclude the defense from claiming it was all just a mistake, the driver never saw the motorcycle and the contact was 'an accident'. This was deliberate. He had motive. He was going to 'get' that guy that 'dissed' him.

Hope he likes how this is all turning out. If he does not serve a long sentence in incarceration ( very likely he won't ) then at the VERY least this person ( can't quite call him a man ) needs to be BANNED from operating a car for a LONG time. He can have a moped.

A pink one.
Because he purposely caused severe injuries, I'd venture that he's looking at maybe 10-15 years. It's significant that the charge is attempted murder rather than assault with a deadly weapon. I'd like to see him banned from driving for life. BMW drivers tend to drive like assholes. I try to stay away from them.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:07 PM   #158
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Because he purposely caused severe injuries, I'd venture that he's looking at maybe 10-15 years. It's significant that the charge is attempted murder rather than assault with a deadly weapon. I'd like to see him banned from driving for life. BMW drivers tend to drive like assholes. I try to stay away from them.
Per the article linked above, the only charge (so far) appears to be ADW.

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Old 06-28-2013, 02:15 PM   #159
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Per the article linked above, the only charge (so far) appears to be ADW.
That can change any time between now and the trial. They had to have something to hold him on.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:19 PM   #160
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It would be nice to have that option, but I feel pretty safe saying, I seriously doubt he could have pulled and fired while riding. (Not to mention the legal ramifications of shooting someone who threatened you in traffic...)

Once they got hit, I am positive he wouldn't have been able to pull, much less accurately shoot.

Don't get me wrong, I would be all for it, but it's just not realistic in this scenario.
Depends on how much you train shooting weak handed I suppose. As far as legal ramifications go, the whole point of ccw is self defense, it doesn't matter whether the assailant uses a 9mm or a BMW.
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:43 PM   #161
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Thanks for the update on this. In the picture with the article he looks like a kid who is angry that he got caught.. Seems to have no remorse at all..
That's a lot to get from one picture.
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Depends on how much you train shooting weak handed I suppose. As far as legal ramifications go, the whole point of ccw is self defense, it doesn't matter whether the assailant uses a 9mm or a BMW.
It's the first part that's the problem not the second. Look at police gunfire. Lots of times, police firing with their dominant hand and standing on their own two feet rather than operating a motorcycle at highway speed, have a very low percentage of hits. If you can't evade, the chances of incapacitating the driver before he runs you down are slim to none.

As for the second part, just a guy driving next to you and giving you the finger wouldn't be enough of a threat to justify shooting. By the time he swerves into you, yes, but there's not much of a space between there for a responsible gun owner to take action. (And yes, I personally DO carry while riding.)
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Old 06-28-2013, 02:58 PM   #163
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Yeah, blame the bike.
It sure didn't help.

In this case seems like neither side would back down. And unfortunately, one side had the advantage.

Yeah yeah yeah it is the car's fault. BUT: if the people on the moto hadn't "made sure" the guy in the car saw them giving him the finger, would they be nursing injuries now? You can be right but you can also be "dead right". What if they'd been killed, would it have given them great satisfaction to know they died "in the right"? Is it worth dying (and your pillion too) to show just how much of an asshole the other guy is?
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Old 06-28-2013, 03:56 PM   #164
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Cunt on the bikes a dick, who the fuck goes up against a car when your on a bike.
If he was riding alone, who gives a fuck,its just him that's going to lose but putting the pillion in harms way because you and the other guy have small dicks....fucking stupid.

I had an off duty cop cross the double yellow line to block me from passing him two weeks ago. Started flashing his badge at me, I Gould see he was livid, was I wanting to fuck with him, fucking strait I wanted to. But you pick ya battles, that was a no win situation for me.
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:36 PM   #165
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I don't think he is blaming the bike, but they had a part to play in this by putting themselves in that position.
I had an MSF instructor that said, "there is no such thing as road rage on a motorcycle." Based on the witness testimony this incident is a classic example of that. While I hope the driver gets a very harsh sentence, if the motorcyclist wouldn't have aggravated the situation (apparently) and just worked their way away from the other vehicle if possible they would have reduced their chances of harm greatly.


On another note, they don't seem to have a strict moderation policy on the comments from that linked article.

Hope he gets a cell with Bubba and he gets his Anal Glands stretched to the limit with no Vaseline!
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