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Old 05-21-2013, 08:25 AM   #1
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BMW f800gs adventure vs ktm baja

These are new models, although they have been talked about before, I need some help deciding.

1. Ktm dealer 3 miles from me
2. BMW 35 miles from me

1 ktm cheaper?

Currently I have a 650 Dakar, which is nice, it bottoms out a lot and the suspension is fairly soft, rather than pour money into a 10yr old 66k bike I figure I would just buy something new.

Goal: adv riding.
In my mind (dreams) 50/50 offroad, reality 70/30 got to ride in California to get places, it's a big state.

Advantage BMW = community, group rides./ training events

Is there anything like this for Ktm?

I can't decide. I dont really want a big bike like the 1200, so this is the last chance to get a 990. The baja just seems like it will be cheaper and better offroad. BMW is more money, but better community. I am a new rider so that is important to me as I can use pointers, and people to ride with. Lastly I am 6' 200lbs.
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:52 AM   #2
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The KTM's specs look really impressive,

I really love riding my F800GS,

Ride them both and see which one you love more,
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:53 AM   #3
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By reputation the KTM is better off road. Another factor is that there is a BMW dealer in almost every capital city in the world. If you get the urge to jump on the bike and head for South America you don't have to worry as much about parts.
Lastly I will tell you this. I have been on cycles since starting with BSA in 1972. The F800 GS I have now is the best all around bike ever. Dave
P.S. One problem your going to have with the Adventure is the big windshield. Crashing is a part of the off road experience. That windshield is not going to survive dumping the bike. Think about that if your really going to be 30% off road. I am sticking with my non adventure model. Also note the Adv says it gets 55 mpg at 55. The regular 800 gets 65 mpg per BMW. That kinda offsets the bigger tank. I get around 50 mpg with adv bags and I go faster than 55.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:31 AM   #4
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Good point

Good point on the regular vs adv model regarding gas mileage.

The BMW seems more refined, I watched an owner review of the ktm, he said the bike has no fuel gauge, 2 fuel tanks, and some other funky things like really difficult throttle control.

Throttle control and low speed control on my 650 is superb compared to my husky te 310. So much so, that tough spots offloading are almost easier on the GS.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:05 AM   #5
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No fuel gauge, I can't believe it, my ex 2004 950 Adv had one...

And yes there are two fuel tanks, that takes 2 seconds to open the second one, not really a problem isn't it?

Gas mileage: You can drive more kilometers with less gas with the BMW than the KTM. The KTM "drinks" at least two liters of gas more than the BMW to drive 100kms.

You can't drive the KTM under 3000rpm, with the 800GS you can drive at 1500... But the KTM has better fork and shock (WP) and they're adjustable.

The 990 has a really bad seat .

Go and try these two models! But if I was you, I'll buy a 800GS "non adventure", without too much electronics, just the ABS, maybe put an aftermarket 2 gal gas tank (Oso ?) if it's important for you and some protection stuff...

I can't see why I would prefer a 800GSA instead of a 800GS... Except for the look but I don't like the look of the GSA
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:10 AM   #6
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These are new models, although they have been talked about before, I need some help deciding.

1. Ktm dealer 3 miles from me
2. BMW 35 miles from me

1 ktm cheaper?

Currently I have a 650 Dakar, which is nice, it bottoms out a lot and the suspension is fairly soft, rather than pour money into a 10yr old 66k bike I figure I would just buy something new.

Goal: adv riding.
In my mind (dreams) 50/50 offroad, reality 70/30 got to ride in California to get places, it's a big state.

Advantage BMW = community, group rides./ training events

Is there anything like this for Ktm?

I can't decide. I dont really want a big bike like the 1200, so this is the last chance to get a 990. The baja just seems like it will be cheaper and better offroad. BMW is more money, but better community. I am a new rider so that is important to me as I can use pointers, and people to ride with. Lastly I am 6' 200lbs.
Just a few random thoughts. Sunday, I did a BMW shop ride. One of the bikes was a older model 650 Dakar that had suspension similar to the bikes that won the event back when, another was a 1200 ridden by a very good rider. I am embarrassed by the fact they both smoked my ass.

66,000 miles on a 650, is a lot to for a do over, but I am tempted to find one and modify it, only because it is 75# lighter than my F800 and I will never be as good as the rider on the 1200.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:01 PM   #7
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Which would be better for a beginner type rider?
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:10 PM   #8
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Which would be better for a beginner type rider?
Neither are dubbed a beginner bike. Being able to use what the bike offers in a trained, learned and wise manner makes it a good bike for you.

Best thing you can do is get specific training for the type of riding you are wanting to do. There are great courses available like RawHyde or Jimmy Lewis for ADV bikes. Then, lots of practice with fellow trained riders who can come along side you and give you pointers.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:33 PM   #9
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Which would be better for a beginner type rider?
None of the above. The ideal bike for a beginner is a single cylinder, 10 year old street legal dirt bike that you buy for nothing, and sell after beating the hell out of it. Dave
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None of the above. The ideal bike for a beginner is a single cylinder, 10 year old street legal dirt bike that you buy for nothing, and sell after beating the hell out of it. Dave


Couldn't agree more. My friend just bought an old rusty Transalp, perfect to begin dual sporting, it was cheap and its engine is undestructible. Did I say that it was rusty? We needed a good 30min to get the rear axle loose.. but that's another story
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:15 PM   #11
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True True. I already have that. I guess I should say a beginner but not so beginner bike. Basically I am looking at a new bike to replace my 650 dakar. I am still pretty new, but have been riding again for a couple of years. MY Dakar needs new tires, breaks shocks and the list goes on. And I figure rather than throw a bunch of cash into it i should get a newer bike. Plus I thought maybe it would be safer to have a new set up, newer breaks, systems etc.


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Couldn't agree more. My friend just bought an old rusty Transalp, perfect to begin dual sporting, it was cheap and its engine is undestructible. Did I say that it was rusty? We needed a good 30min to get the rear axle loose.. but that's another story
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:25 PM   #12
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I know you asked for either the BMW, or KTM..... but for US$ 6800 you can get another BMW..... the Husky TR650 terra.
Perhaps smaller that you were looking for, but a very capable machine..... Sort of a BMW......

http://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com.../TR650%20TERRA
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:13 PM   #13
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I'm watching to see where this thread goes....

I'm also in the market for a F800GS possibly
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:28 PM   #14
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I am glad we are entertaining you. If you want to get to the intermediate level of off road travel, you need to fix the suspension. If you want to use the stock gearing while doing intermediate 4 wheel drive roads, you need to address the fueling. If you plan to ride 90% of the time on a paved road, you need to farkle it up with lots of expensive luggage and lights.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:14 PM   #15
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Address the fueling? In what way?


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I am glad we are entertaining you. If you want to get to the intermediate level of off road travel, you need to fix the suspension. If you want to use the stock gearing while doing intermediate 4 wheel drive roads, you need to address the fueling. If you plan to ride 90% of the time on a paved road, you need to farkle it up with lots of expensive luggage and lights.
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