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Old 10-16-2014, 06:32 PM   #1
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UOA - Used oil analysis, 2012 R1200GS, 18,000 miles

UOA - Used oil analysis, 2012 R1200GS, 18,000 miles. UOA performed by BlackStone Laboratories of Fort Wayne Indiana for $25.00 + $4.50 USPS.

At delivery I don't know what was in the bike, I assume Castrol.

At 600 miles the dealer put in conventional Castrol.

at 3,000 miles I put in conventional Penzoil 20W 50.
At 6,000 and 9,000 miles I put in Valvoline 20W 50.

Starting at the 3,000 mile change I used Mann filters.

At 12,000 miles I put in Mobil 1 15W 50 FULL SYNTHETIC "5 quart red jug".

Attached is my UOA for the Mobile 1. I apologize for the poor size/quality of the Jpg. The report comes in PDF. I had to take a screen shot, open Windows Paint, import the picture, crop it and resize it.

I've never done a UOA before, they've got some nice info in them.

Below is there summary of my engine:

BRETT: What a nice sample from your BMW. Universal averages show typical wear for this type of engine
after about 5,300 miles on the oil. Your oil run was a little longer than average, so it's notable that metals
are generally lower than average. The one exception is lead, though 2 ppm of lead really isn't enough to
cause or show any obvious problems. No contamination was found in the sample, and insolubles were
impressively low at just a trace, showing little oxidation of the oil and excellent oil filtration. What a great
sample!
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:29 AM   #2
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Thanks for posting. This is the oil and filter combo I'm running in my camhead.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:32 AM   #3
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Pretty impressive indeed. One thing to note is that you should stick with an oil if you are going to do UOA. It will eliminate the variables. However, that's just for the long term.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:54 AM   #4
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"Your oil run was a little longer than average, so it's notable that metals
are generally lower than average"

This remark is a little confusing.

I don't see why sticking with the same oil is vital (or even a factor) since the analysis only samples what is found in the oil and sending in one sample is good for entertainment purposes but you need to send an oil sample in regularly to establish and track lubrication performance.
I also find it odd that there are people (even dealers) who still believe that you can't break an engine in using synthetic oil. When I purchase a new vehicle that didn't leave the factory with synthetic oil in the crankcase, one of the first things I do is change the oil to what I'm going to ultimately run in it.
Sorry for turning this into an oil thread.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:11 AM   #5
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I also find it odd that there are people (even dealers) who still believe that you can't break an engine in using synthetic oil. When I purchase a new vehicle that didn't leave the factory with synthetic oil in the crankcase, one of the first things I do is change the oil to what I'm going to ultimately run in it.
So it's notable that some high end autos come factory filled with synthetic engine oil thereby supporting your observation.
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:45 AM   #6
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Wow, 3k between oil changes. Quite a risk. Hope your engine lasts.
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:20 PM   #7
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Mobil 1 15W/50 is what I am going to run my bike on, good to know its gives good results.

I believe the guy on here with 500k on his bike runs the same oil.

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While the OP's UOA results are impressive, a TBN analysis would tell us how much longer the oil might last.

TBN is a good indicator of the overall health of the remaining additives and if the oil is truly "worn out".

Synthetics have the ability to deliver long OCIs and thereby provide additional cost benefit over non-synthetics as well as improved performance.

If you change a synthetic at say, 6000 miles, you are throwing away money.
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While the OP's UOA results are impressive, a TBN analysis would tell us how much longer the oil might last.

TBN is a good indicator of the overall health of the remaining additives and if the oil is truly "worn out".

Synthetics have the ability to deliver long OCIs and thereby provide additional cost benefit over non-synthetics as well as improved performance.

If you change a synthetic at say, 6000 miles, you are throwing away money.
Does 8k oil change sound like a good number?
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Oil change

I run a F250 with A>>>MS oil and send in a Oil check every 10-15000 mile. Last time I changed the oil after 45000 miles.
Even when the test showed OK to run.

In the BMW, I run Full synthetic and don't plane to change before 8-10000 miles

Recommendation on 1500 mile changes come only $$$ DAGOBERT DUCK $$$ Engineers.

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So it's notable that some high end autos come factory filled with synthetic engine oil thereby supporting your observation.
The waterheads and k1600 bikes come from factory with synthetic.
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I don't see why sticking with the same oil is vital (or even a factor) since the analysis only samples what is found in the oil and sending in one sample is good for entertainment purposes but you need to send an oil sample in regularly to establish and track lubrication performance.
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Using the same lube is one of the things that you need to do in order to track lubricant performance. If you constantly switch oil how will you know if the oil is breaking down or is your engine beating it up? Additionally, if one chchooses to check TBN, using the same oil ensures the same base additive package.
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Does 8k oil change sound like a good number?
Last OCI for my GS was 9600 miles and it could have gone longer.
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Wow, 3k between oil changes. Quite a risk. Hope your engine lasts.

I figured during the REAL break in period (first 10,000 miles) I would keep fresh blood, ooop's, I meant to say oil in the bike. On sale, a 5 quart jug of conventional Penziol / Valvoline is less than the cost of a tank of gas. The "Big Boy" slept well at night in the garage.
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Using the same lube is one of the things that you need to do in order to track lubricant performance. If you constantly switch oil how will you know if the oil is breaking down or is your engine beating it up? Additionally, if one chchooses to check TBN, using the same oil ensures the same base additive package.

I guess I had figured that if you are using any of the current high quality motor oils on the market and changing the oil at the recommended intervals then oil break-down would not even come into play, unless the engine had been overheated.
My theory is that even if you were to use the cheapest oil, something like Super Tech found at Wal-Mart, that oil would still perform very well if sent off for analysis.
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