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Old 07-08-2013, 09:39 AM   #541
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Will someone please explain to me what this bike will do that the FZ8 or FZ1 won't do. Other than be a triple of course.
that's a good question. I think it accomplishes a couple of things - 1) it put's some space between Yamaha's offering in this market segment and what the other Japanese manufacturers are offering, and 2) it moves their product closer to what Triumph is doing, apparently they want a piece of that pie.

I can't see any real advantage to this bike versys the FZ8.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:50 AM   #542
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that's a good question. I think it accomplishes a couple of things - 1) it put's some space between Yamaha's offering in this market segment and what the other Japanese manufacturers are offering, and 2) it moves their product closer to what Triumph is doing, apparently they want a piece of that pie.

I can't see any real advantage to this bike versys the FZ8.
Also being a new model, piques people's interest, get's them talking, and hopefully from Yamaha's perspective more foot traffic and sales. Slightly lower price point and better fuel economy? To be seen I guess...
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:35 AM   #543
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I can't see any real advantage to this bike versys the FZ8.
I think its 50lbs lighter..
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:24 PM   #544
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I think its 50lbs lighter..

Don't forget it has more horsepower, torque, & better ergos.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:33 PM   #545
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And it's a TRIPLE, not the typical I4.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:45 PM   #546
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I can't see any real advantage to this bike versys the FZ8.
Wha? You know the FZ09 is cheaper, lighter and has more power than the outgoing FZ8 right? The FZ8 was a FZ1 sleeved down, same weight with less power.

Like others have posted, the weight reduction is not a 'skip a taco buffet meal' difference. It's 45+ lbs. That is huge. Finally there will be a naked middleweight on the market made from a Japanese manufacturer that is not 30-80lbs heavier than a 600cc super sport.

The FZ8 was a pretty good bike for the price, I was strongly considering buying one. The FZ09 will be better likely in every single way. Unless somehow Yamaha realllly messed up on this bike it will be a great bike just based on the specs. 414lbs + 65 lb-ft + 8k new MSRP sign me up.

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Old 07-08-2013, 02:48 PM   #547
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I had a random thought, what if the MT-09 engine will power the new R6? I don't mean a smaller 675cc version, I mean the full 850cc sized version. The number 1 complaint regarding the current R6 has always been it's lack of torque, this motor would solve that in one easy stroke. It obviously costs a reasonable amount of money considering the MSRP of the MT-09. So why bother shrinking the displacement, especially if the new R1 moves up in engine size?
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:01 PM   #548
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I had a random thought, what if the MT-09 engine will power the new R6? I don't mean a smaller 675cc version, I mean the full 850cc sized version. The number 1 complaint regarding the current R6 has always been it's lack of torque, this motor would solve that in one easy stroke. It obviously costs a reasonable amount of money considering the MSRP of the MT-09. So why bother shrinking the displacement, especially if the new R1 moves up in engine size?

I hope this is exactly what they do.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:02 PM   #549
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So why bother shrinking the displacement
Homologation for racing. Even when Kawi had the cheater 636cc ZX-6R, they still made a 599cc ZX-6RR for supersport racing.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:55 PM   #550
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Homologation for racing. Even when Kawi had the cheater 636cc ZX-6R, they still made a 599cc ZX-6RR for supersport racing.
They only have a 636 now. Both Kawi and Triumph compete in the supersport class with their >600cc displacement.

Also hoping the R6 receives the triple treatment.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:47 PM   #551
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I stand corrected - I was not aware of the weight or price advantage vs the fz8
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:55 PM   #552
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I stand corrected - I was not aware of the weight or price advantage vs the fz8
Missed all this too - Never ridden a FZ8, but I have ridden a FZ1 & a Triumph Streed Triple R. As the FZ8 is basically a sleeved FZ1 I suspect the two are similar, except I understand the FZ8 has a lighter crank than the FZ1 so it spins up quicker & is smoother to boot. Of course it looses the FZ1's top end stomp.

The difference in weight between the FZ platform & Street Triple is profound on the road. The Triumph delicate & precise, the FZ1 bulky & clumsy. The old saying that extra engine you only notice every now & then, but extra chassis you notice every ride couldn't be truer.

Ergonomically the physically smaller Triumph is as roomy as the FZ1 with the added advantage of not splaying the riders legs uncomfortably wide like the 4 cylinder Yamaha does. Additionally to its packaging advantage don't discount the triple engines smoother running, flatter torque curve & visceral sound advantage over the peaky, buzzy & bland FZ1 four. As for he the FZ1's heat soak?

So the MT-09/FZ09 addresses all of the negatives of the FZ08/09 on paper, time will tell if they have hit the target of the Street Triple in the real world.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:07 PM   #553
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I like the 3cyl concept, light, narrow and torquey, but this bike is ugly IMO.
Modern rice grinders have lost their good looks that made japan famous in years (decades) past.
These new modern funky shaped headlights do not lend themselves well to aftermarket fairings/wind protection. Or visual appeal.
Some bosses off of the tail section could help for solid pannier racks (whether sport or adv touring)...
For adv use there is going to be a lot of mud flung over the rider. What tail section - it looks bobbed.
And wtf are 17" wheels going to do for the adv rider? Nothing!
Pavement pounder... (but this is the road warrior forum)
Torque peak at 8500 rpm's ...that is still hi rpm torque (max power @ 10,000).
Commuter & sunday twisties bike IMO. Nothing more, well except maybe for a test bed for future versions with that motor.



Since the original FZ6 & FZ1 Yamaha has gone backwards in styling, IMO.
My old FZ6 was an ok looking bike... IMO.
But it sure got ugly in later versions.

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Old 07-09-2013, 01:04 AM   #554
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I like the 3cyl concept, light, narrow and torquey, but this bike is ugly IMO.
Modern rice grinders have lost their good looks that made japan famous in years (decades) past.
These new modern funky shaped headlights do not lend themselves well to aftermarket fairings/wind protection. Or visual appeal.
Some bosses off of the tail section could help for solid pannier racks (whether sport or adv touring)...
For adv use there is going to be a lot of mud flung over the rider. What tail section - it looks bobbed.
And wtf are 17" wheels going to do for the adv rider? Nothing!
Pavement pounder... (but this is the road warrior forum)
Torque peak at 8500 rpm's ...that is still hi rpm torque (max power @ 10,000).
Commuter & sunday twisties bike IMO. Nothing more, well except maybe for a test bed for future versions with that motor.



Since the original FZ6 & FZ1 Yamaha has gone backwards in styling, IMO.
My old FZ6 was an ok looking bike... IMO.
But it sure got ugly in later versions.

Don't get me wrong, but that Fazer 6(or the FZ6 for some...) is one of the ugliest bikes around. That comes from a Yamaha true believer.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:31 AM   #555
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Wha? You know the FZ09 is cheaper, lighter and has more power than the outgoing FZ8 right?
Outgoing? Nope.
That's why it's called MT09 in EU, the FZ8 isn't going anywhere.

I'd take the FZ8 over the 9.
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