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Old 12-17-2013, 02:35 PM   #766
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System Software Update just out for the Monterra!

Go to System Settings\About Monterra\System Update while connected to WiFi to find it.

(Going from memory on the path here - my Monterra is updating itself so I can't remember the exact path, or version number, or the changelog...)
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Old 12-17-2013, 03:56 PM   #767
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Thanks!! That was easy. Sure hope things work....
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Old 12-17-2013, 04:00 PM   #768
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Well, some things will work...

Here is a summary list of fixes in this update:

* Improved address search
* Fixed direct route line so that it updates with change in position
* Fixed Sight 'N Go so that the pointer locks on the proper direction
* Fixed Geocache App crash when using in various languages
* Improved compass calibration process
* Fixed Chirp pairing process
* Fixed 24 hour format
* Fixed keyboard appearing on home screen after performing a to Home navigation
* Fixed OTA update so that it will show a time greater than one hour

Most of these fixes have to do with Geocaching and search using CNEU maps. That should tell you something about what community has Garmin's ear. Our requirements are rather low on the list. Maybe next month(?).

I'm running through my bug list and if I find things that are fixed I'll let you know.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:32 PM   #769
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Of all the "bugs/Issues" on my list only two were addressed with this update:
  • GOA Crash: Using Large Data Field Dashboard on the map and changing orientation.
  • Time To Destination: When Routing a route over 1hr in duration the Time to Destination field only indicates 1hr.
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Old 12-17-2013, 05:39 PM   #770
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Most of these fixes have to do with Geocaching and search using CNEU maps. That should tell you something about what community has Garmin's ear. Our requirements are rather low on the list. Maybe next month(?).
The professional outsdoors, what was it called it again group?

Well, I will assume they will eventually cover the bugs on your list. Don't give up on us, we need you to keep Garmin straight for the rest of us.
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Old 12-17-2013, 06:04 PM   #771
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The professional outsdoors, what was it called it again group?

Well, I will assume they will eventually cover the bugs on your list. Don't give up on us, we need you to keep Garmin straight for the rest of us.
Your assumption is not a good one. There are a few Moto focused folks that Garmin has invited to beta-test but our voices don't add up to much compared to Geocachers and a country market like the EU. Your voice, and that of anyone who is even thinking about the Monterra (or any new GPS), is important if you want to see features and functions that meet your/our needs.

Garmin listens to "units sold". No sales, they are all ears. You want something fixed you need to tell Garmin.
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Old 12-18-2013, 01:30 AM   #772
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DRTBYK: Interesting to see Garmin officially referencing to Garmin Express to update the Monterra:
http://www8.garmin.com/support/downl...ls.jsp?id=6135
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Old 12-18-2013, 04:08 AM   #773
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DRTBYK: Interesting to see Garmin officially referencing to Garmin Express to update the Monterra:
http://www8.garmin.com/support/downl...ls.jsp?id=6135
That is a first for the Monterra. It's actually easier to update through WiFi, but at least this is more consistent with their other units.
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Old 12-18-2013, 07:50 AM   #774
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Your assumption is not a good one. There are a few Moto focused folks that Garmin has invited to beta-test but our voices don't add up to much compared to Geocachers and a country market like the EU. Your voice, and that of anyone who is even thinking about the Monterra (or any new GPS), is important if you want to see features and functions that meet your/our needs.

Garmin listens to "units sold". No sales, they are all ears. You want something fixed you need to tell Garmin.

Good point Dan.

However, in terms of "units sold", now we have the advantage to learn from others' experiences before we make a decision and actually buy it. Perhaps Garmin knows about this as well, that in today's market, for some products, opinions of fellow "enthusiasts" are the best marketing strategy.

I'm not buying this unit or other high price Garmin product until I can make sense if they will work for me or not. This thread here and your reviews, and also of others who will have eventually purchased the Monterra and will talk about it and their experiences with it on their real use (for us, Motorcycle riding), are providing key information for my decision. As well as the improvements Garmin will be making or not to this unit. Especially this is the case for an unit that uses Android, something new for equipment designed for navigation and for Garmin.

If Garmin is not directing the Monterra to the motorcycling community, and won't support the features we want, I will not buy this unit. It is already a problem with gloves operation, so chances are this is not for me in the first place.

Right now, the unit that has the most interesting features for my needs is the BMW Navigator V. However, not having a BMW motorcycle, it seems I would not be taking full advantage of its features. And although I could afford it, the price is simply not right for me.


It is winter, it is wait and see time. Reading about these units is fun enough for me for now.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:34 AM   #775
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For now, depending upon software updates from Garmin, I would do one of the following (your choice):
  1. Remove it from the Monterra or,
  2. Rename the 24K topo map file by changing the .IMG ending to something like .IMGXXX - this will keep the Monterra from indexing the map (you won't see it in the Map Info list) but you can easily rename it on the Monterra when you need/want it without having to use a computers.

Regarding GPS elevation at Sea Level, remember that there is a GPS error +/- so you could easily show readings below sea level. My Monterra's GPS Elevation is usually within +/- 5ft. of a known - like my house.

As for the Altimeter - Garmin needs to improve the software. I can set my location and within an hour the Altimeter will be off by 100ft.

Barometric altimeters are only accurate if calibrated constantly. Any change in atmospheric pressure means your altitude reading will change even if stationary. I always use gps altitude.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:17 AM   #776
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DRTBYK: Interesting to see Garmin officially referencing to Garmin Express to update the Monterra:
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That is a first for the Monterra. It's actually easier to update through WiFi, but at least this is more consistent with their other units.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The use of Garmin Express is for Map Updates NOT software updates which are still only supported via OTA. Express is rather "dumb" regarding the Monterra, you can put any version number in the GarminDevices.xml file and Express will tell you it is "up to date".
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Barometric altimeters are only accurate if calibrated constantly. Any change in atmospheric pressure means your altitude reading will change even if stationary. I always use gps altitude.
Generally if set to calibrate "automatically" it uses longer term gps elevation to "calibrate" so it sort of "calibrates" continuously. These aren't very good semantics IMO.

They combine the gps elevation filtered over the long term with the barometric sensor filtered for the immediate and short term.


In my experience this can be useful for handheld use since you get good immediate rates of change (IVSI) - what baro is good for. Usually there's too much pressure "noise" that makes this not so good in/on vehicles...
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:15 AM   #778
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I can confirm adress search works with European maps :)
I will try it on the bike tomorrow and see if the spinning map is corrected.
Now I can try it out in the car.
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Old 12-19-2013, 12:45 AM   #779
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I can confirm adress search works with European maps :)
I will try it on the bike tomorrow and see if the spinning map is corrected.
Now I can try it out in the car.
Glad they got that fixed for you folks in the EU. Now maybe they will fix some of the major issues with Routing for all of us.
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Nice to see your Monterra review in GlobeRiders Dispatch #120 Dan.
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