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Old 10-03-2013, 08:36 AM   #1
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Turn Signals?

I currently ride my DR350 without turn signals and for over a year it has been going very well. I don't ride much at night so the hand-signals are more than acceptable.

However, I have been thinking about adding signal lights to the rear only. I can see a benefit to having them on the rear to prevent rear-end collision and for lane changes...

But I won't be adding them to the front. In my one year experiment I don't really see enough advantages to signaling my intentions to the drivers in front of me

My logic is that a turn signal on the front only entices a motorist to turn in front of me if I am signaling a turn. Or, that if accidentally left on (which happens a lot. don't lie, I see it all the time on other bikes) can give the opposite indication and allow the left turner an excuse for turning in front of me.

Any other thoughts ?
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:53 AM   #2
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As the former owner of a DR3, I'm wondering if they'll work properly with only the rear signals in place. The flasher unit may cause the rear bulbs to flash rapidly, like the front (nonexistent) bulb is burned out.

I would reconsider and install the front ones, too. I hate it when cages don't signal their intent (which is often) but especially so I won't turn in front of them. You may end up with a tailgater up your bike's butt. Best let those in a massive hurry to be on their way.

Anything I can do to make myself more conspicuous, I view as a plus. That includes front signals. You might even consider getting some with dual filament bulbs so that you have front "running" lights in addition to the head light.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:15 AM   #3
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Should be fine. As long as the rear turn signals are not LED they should still draw enough current to flash. If they are LED you would just need one of the flashers that work with LED's.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:51 AM   #4
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I currently ride my DR350 without turn signals and for over a year it has been going very well. I don't ride much at night so the hand-signals are more than acceptable.

However, I have been thinking about adding signal lights to the rear only. I can see a benefit to having them on the rear to prevent rear-end collision and for lane changes...

But I won't be adding them to the front. In my one year experiment I don't really see enough advantages to signaling my intentions to the drivers in front of me

My logic is that a turn signal on the front only entices a motorist to turn in front of me if I am signaling a turn. Or, that if accidentally left on (which happens a lot. don't lie, I see it all the time on other bikes) can give the opposite indication and allow the left turner an excuse for turning in front of me.

Any other thoughts ?
Riders who don't use signals make all riders look bad. At least you use hand signals.

You can get amber LED flex strips to stick on the sides of your rear fender and on your handguards. Use an LED-compatible flasher unit.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:35 AM   #5
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I think that most drivers now days don't know about hand turn signals. Probably think you are waving them to go in front of you. Dangerous.

I gave a kid a ride in my truck and he asked what the window cranks are for.

Also: Turn Signals
Required; Florida Statutes, 316.222 (2)

"But Judge, the deceased did not have turn signals on his motorcycle as required by law, I though he was waving me across in front of him. "
Judge " I find the deceased guilty and fine his estate $250 for his lack of turn signals and also the defendant is awarded $2 million for pain and suffering"
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:40 AM   #6
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I currently ride my DR350 without turn signals and for over a year it has been going very well. I don't ride much at night so the hand-signals are more than acceptable.

However, I have been thinking about adding signal lights to the rear only. I can see a benefit to having them on the rear to prevent rear-end collision and for lane changes...

But I won't be adding them to the front. In my one year experiment I don't really see enough advantages to signaling my intentions to the drivers in front of me

My logic is that a turn signal on the front only entices a motorist to turn in front of me if I am signaling a turn. Or, that if accidentally left on (which happens a lot. don't lie, I see it all the time on other bikes) can give the opposite indication and allow the left turner an excuse for turning in front of me.

Any other thoughts ?
whats the law in your area requiring turn signals on motorcycles?
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #7
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I think that most drivers now days don't know about hand turn signals. Probably think you are waving them to go in front of you. Dangerous.

I gave a kid a ride in my truck and he asked what the window cranks are for.

Also: Turn Signals
Required; Florida Statutes, 316.222 (2)

"But Judge, the deceased did not have turn signals on his motorcycle as required by law, I though he was waving me across in front of him. "
Judge " I find the deceased guilty and fine his estate $250 for his lack of turn signals and also the defendant is awarded $2 million for pain and suffering"
I bet that trying to tell the court that you did not understand a hand signal would work as well for a defense as saying you did not know what a stop sign looked like. More or less.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:58 AM   #8
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I bet that trying to tell the court that you did not understand a hand signal would work as well for a defense as saying you did not know what a stop sign looked like. More or less.
The deceased motorcyclist that removed his turn signals is partly at fault.
Anyway dead is dead.
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:56 PM   #9
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The front turn signals on my wife's DR350SE have enough lens on top that you see them flashing. No risk of leaving them on.
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:58 PM   #10
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Use LED signals and ask for an electronic flasher at NAPA. They're brighter and a lot smaller than incandescents. And they never burn out.
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:34 PM   #11
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Oops... looks like it is required here in FLorida. Ok... new plan!

I have been operating on some incorrect data and even got pulled over with no mention of my lack of turn signals. (The officer admitted that he thought I was a kid on an un-tagged dirtbike. He was embarrassed that I was on a street legal bike. Guess he missed the no turn signals)

BTW: here is the doc I was going by:
http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/Equ...09-MSFlogo.pdf
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:25 PM   #12
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you sure about that, i don't see a mark where signals and florida cross each other...
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you sure about that, i don't see a mark where signals and florida cross each other...
I think signals are considered socially offensive in FL or something.
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:17 AM   #14
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Sure seems that way sometimes.
Every county could bring an end to budget shortfalls, simply by ticketing for not using turn signals. Only problem is that the police would have to ticket themselves just as often as the rest of the people !

For the OP, you are not required to have mechanical turn signals, but you are still supposed to signal turns and lane changes, like you are doing.
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:28 AM   #15
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you sure about that, i don't see a mark where signals and florida cross each other...
You are correct sir. There is no mark. This is the document that led me to believe that signals are NOT required equipment in FL. But there are conflicting write ups on the web and the law somewhat ambiguously states signals are required on all vehicles.

At this point I have no idea what to believe. I guess err on the side of caution and put some signals on.

I am still considering not enabling front signals and only using rear signals combined with Hand signals which really do seem to get peoples attention.

I have yet to hear an argument that a lighted front signal is imperative to my safety. I feel that a left turn signal accidentally left on by a motorcyclist is super dangerous and signals the motorist of opposite intentions by the rider.

I contend that an un-intended turn signal is more dangerous than an intended turn signal is safe.

I don't give a flying fuck what the gubermint says!! And I sure as fuck don't care what the insurance company does after I'm dead. I don't buy my life insurance from Geiko.

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