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Old 07-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #136
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Why anyone would defend this 15%+ ethanol move by the US govt. is rather bizarre to me unless that person has a vested interest or a strong misguided social agenda with no thought on the negative effects of that agenda.
Hmmm.... I wonder...... Why, that would be dishonest! Who would do such a thing? A government lackey, or stooge for the e-crap industry?



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Old 07-01-2013, 11:18 PM   #137
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Last time I went to get gas....nobody made me buy a particular grade of fuel. Don't like it, then don't buy it and it will either go away or just be another option...like Diesel.

100% ethanol makes a properly built engine push a bike very,very, very fast down the 1/4 mile; so does E85
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:08 AM   #138
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Seriously? You've got the only vehicle in the USA that runs better on ethanol? I was reluctant to believe some of the posters who think you're an industry stooge, but now you're claiming something that runs against .gov figures and basic math.

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And defies the laws of physics....
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:05 AM   #139
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And defies the laws of physics....
Hey, have you run E-85 in anything?
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:10 AM   #140
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Last time I went to get gas....nobody made me buy a particular grade of fuel. Don't like it, then don't buy it and it will either go away or just be another option...like Diesel.

100% ethanol makes a properly built engine push a bike very,very, very fast down the 1/4 mile; so does E85
Don't like it then don't buy it?
Nobody made me buy 87, 89 or 91 either, but all of them have 10% ethanol in them, at every gas station. So tell me, what choice do I have?
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:16 AM   #141
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The ethanol industry says those don't apply, because ethanol is so wonderful.

In my limited personal experience, on motorcycles, outboard motors, weedwhackers, lawn mowers, chainsaws, cars and trucks, I can say that E10 reduces mileage by about 10% in anything with an odometer. This makes sense, because E10 is 90% gasoline and 10% stuff-with-less-energy-than-gasoline. It also gums up the carbs on all of the other engines mentioned above.
The stuff is only on the market because of a vociferous minority, which has created very expensive subsidies. Corn farmers rejoice, everybody else can take it up the ass. Ethanol will not stand alone in a free economy.


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Old 07-02-2013, 10:14 AM   #142
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Hey, have you run E-85 in anything?
I don't need one to tell me that E85 is going to get significantly less mileage than E10 regardless of what somebody says on the interwebs.... You can't overcome they difference in potential energy between the two without taking a hit in mileage...
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Quoted from this article which was a real world comaprison of E15 and E85:
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/...ison-test.html

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The Final Score Fuel Economy and Cost

After refueling we put the fuel amounts and the prices paid into a spreadsheet and compiled a clear, side-by-side comparison for both fuel consumption and cost. Remember, these results apply only to this vehicle and to the prices in effect during our 667-mile test.

Gas Result:From San Diego to Las Vegas and back, we used 36.5 gallons of regular gasoline and achieved an average fuel economy of 18.3 mpg.

Gas Cost: We spent $124.66 for gasoline for the trip. The average pump price was $3.42 per gallon.

E85 Result: From San Diego to Las Vegas and back we used 50 gallons of E85 and achieved an average fuel economy of 13.5 mpg.

E85 Cost: We spent $154.29 on E85 for the trip. The average pump price was $3.09 per gallon

Gas/E85 difference: The fuel economy of our Tahoe on E85, under these conditions, was 26.5 percent worse than it was when running on gas.

A motorist, filling up and comparing the prices of regular gas and E85, might see the price advantage of E85 (in our case 33 cents or 9.7 percent less) as a bargain. However, since fuel economy is significantly reduced, the net effect is that a person choosing to run their flex-fuel vehicle on E85 on a trip like ours will spend 22.8 percent more to drive the same distance. For us, the E85 trip was about $30 more expensive about 22.9 cents per mile on E85 versus 18.7 cents per mile with gasoline.
So 26% worse fuel economy and it cost more per gallon to run.....
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:28 AM   #144
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. Corn farmers rejoice, everybody else can take it up the ass.
I think we can lock this thread on that perfect, succinct summary.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:10 AM   #145
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Quoted from this article which was a real world comaprison of E15 and E85:
http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/...ison-test.html
So 26% worse fuel economy and it cost more per gallon to run.....
For whatever reason my new Silverado is rated as having higher peak horsepower on E-85 than gasoline. I think it is 315hp on gas and 329hp on E-85. I've never put E-85 in it mainly because I've literally never come up to a pump that offered E-85 here in New England and the owners manual says not to mix the two or switch back and forth. The additional disincentive of being more expensive than gas per mile means I won't take advantage of this "feature" of my truck.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:06 PM   #146
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For whatever reason my new Silverado is rated as having higher peak horsepower on E-85 than gasoline. I think it is 315hp on gas and 329hp on E-85. I've never put E-85 in it mainly because I've literally never come up to a pump that offered E-85 here in New England and the owners manual says not to mix the two or switch back and forth. The additional disincentive of being more expensive than gas per mile means I won't take advantage of this "feature" of my truck.
Bingo!

This is exactly what I said
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:24 PM   #147
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The ethanol industry says those don't apply, because ethanol is so wonderful.

I can say that E10 reduces mileage by about 10% in anything with an odometer. This makes sense, because E10 is 90% gasoline and 10% stuff-with-less-energy-than-gasoline.
Unless math works differently where you live, your figures are wrong. If E10 reduces mileage by 10% then E100 would give Zero MPG
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:09 PM   #148
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Unless math works differently where you live, your figures are wrong. If E10 reduces mileage by 10% then E100 would give Zero MPG
Bingo! That's exactly what I've been saying.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:31 PM   #149
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Bingo! That's exactly what I've been saying.
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Bingo!

This is exactly what I said
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