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Old 04-29-2014, 08:48 AM   #1
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Metzler Karoo III - any first hand experience?

I've got a tubeless 19/17 setup on my ADV 990R with Conti Trail Attack IIs - great on the road for touring and carving, useless on any other surface. I'm not looking for all-out dirt performance out of a tire, just something that will be good on the road but better on gravel and hard dirt / grass compared to the Trail Attack IIs and someone has suggested the Karoo III. I've explored the TKC80 but it's probably too much of a "knobby" for all the road riding I do. Can this Karoo III be the one really good road tire that also happens to work off road based on what I've described (no expectation of great off road performance in mud/sand)? I'd love some opinions based on experience before committing to a set of these as they are on the pricey side of the spectrum...

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Old 04-29-2014, 08:59 AM   #2
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Karoo 3

I just put one on the front of the KLR, seems to handle I the street fine but howls quite a bit. Have not been in the dirt yet.
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:33 AM   #3
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And they wear like butter.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:00 AM   #4
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And they wear like butter.
actually, more like warm butter. tires stick well on pavement, are ok on dirt, and if you are not an aggressive rider, they are fine. i went through more then half the tire in 175 miles...
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:07 AM   #5
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TKC or even scorps are better.

The only good Karoo is the Karoo 1 (one).
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:22 AM   #6
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I had good luck with the front Karoo 3 on my GSA. Rear was toast in a hurry. The front didn't cup like a TKC, and wore longer (6K+ miles). Just put a front on 1190 R, so far so good off road and on.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:39 AM   #7
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And they wear like butter.
I flattened the center knobs of an old Karoo "T" rear in about 500 miles of 50/50 mixed riding and I was not hard on it. In fact I was babying it pretty good since I wanted it to last before plunking down another $250 bucks on a rear tire (Colombia prices) Although the super soft compound stuck OK on the pavement but not much better than a Scorp in the dirt.

So the 3 might not be any better than the T?

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Old 04-29-2014, 02:09 PM   #8
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My 950 killed one in around 2800 kms.

Good grip but not had wearing.

70\30 road\gravel track.
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Old 04-29-2014, 03:35 PM   #9
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Thanks for the responses everyone.

Hmm...I am typically less concerned with premature wear but at the price, I need to be a bit more diligent given what I've read here...

I wonder - what about the Hidenau K60 instead? The Pirelli Scorpions simply are not available in my 19/17 setup sizes :(
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Old 04-29-2014, 05:31 PM   #10
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I have about 500 miles on a set I spooned on a couple weeks ago. I'm very happy with them so far. They show marginal wear so far having only ridden maybe 40 miles of dirt and I don't generally have a heavy right wrist.
On the 1190 I could probably kill them in a hundred miles but I have self control.

From the looks of it I should get a few thousand miles anyway out of the back. The front still looks almost new. Off road they work really well considering how well they stick on pavement, and not being a true knobbie.

I recommend them with the caveat that they will die a quick death if you ride like wack-a-doodle.
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Old 04-29-2014, 05:44 PM   #11
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Nah, I've got my ducati 999r for whack a doodle riding on the street :)





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I have about 500 miles on a set I spooned on a couple weeks ago. I'm very happy with them so far. They show marginal wear so far having only ridden maybe 40 miles of dirt and I don't generally have a heavy right wrist.
On the 1190 I could probably kill them in a hundred miles but I have self control.

From the looks of it I should get a few thousand miles anyway out of the back. The front still looks almost new. Off road they work really well considering how well they stick on pavement, and not being a true knobbie.

I recommend them with the caveat that they will die a quick death if you ride like wack-a-doodle.
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Old 04-29-2014, 05:50 PM   #12
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For the type of riding you're describing, you can't go wrong with Scorps.
There's a reason they're original equipment.
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Old 04-29-2014, 05:52 PM   #13
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For the type of riding you're describing, you can't go wrong with Scorps.
There's a reason they're original equipment.
They don't come in 19/17 though...
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:22 PM   #14
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There's a reason they're original equipment.
True.

Typically a marketing/sales agreement between KTM and the tire manufacturer, with little regard to the "best tire" for the bike.

I take your point that you like the Scorpions, and have no disagreement with your choice.

The rationale, however, is another thing...

Now back to the tire thread.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:25 PM   #15
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17/19 tubeless Karoo III

Thanks for this thread. I have hooked up this combo and hope to begin riding this weekend. Interesting comments, alas everyone has a unique opinion on tires. I can't wait to rip on this combo
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