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Old 11-19-2013, 02:06 AM   #166
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Had my 1190 Adv R on the dyno today, and max power was 127.3 HP.

I thought this is weak for a bike that claims 150hp.
the torque is more concerning for me: 79.2 versus 125
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Old 11-19-2013, 02:23 AM   #167
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the torque is more concerning for me: 79.2 versus 125
Could that be due to use of different measurement units?
The numbers KTM provides are Nm (Newton-meters) where as in the US I believe you use ft lbf (foot-pound force).
The conversion factor between the two is 1,356.
79,2 x 1,356 = 107,4
That would make more sense, no?
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Old 11-19-2013, 02:38 AM   #168
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Here's a Dynobike run in Europe. This bike putting out 148hp, mine at 127.

Dealer says mine at 127 is normal....I remain unconvinced.


http://youtu.be/-QhOPsq1FdE
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Old 11-19-2013, 02:48 AM   #169
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Here's a Dynobike run in Europe. This bike putting out 148hp, mine at 127.

Dealer says mine at 127 is normal....I remain unconvinced.


http://youtu.be/-QhOPsq1FdE
A lot depends on dyno settings and environmental factors.
I think some dyno operators even incorporate a correction factor to make up for the crank-to-rear wheel loss.
I would be very surprised to see a bike actually producing 148 rear wheel BHP without some serious tuning, an exhaust alone won't do that.
Same goes for the torque, that video shows 127Nm, which is more than stock.

All that with nothing more than an after market exhaust?
I doubt it.
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Old 11-19-2013, 04:33 AM   #170
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Here's a Dynobike run in Europe. This bike putting out 148hp, mine at 127.

Dealer says mine at 127 is normal....I remain unconvinced.


http://youtu.be/-QhOPsq1FdE
127 would be close to reality. The RC8 claims 175 and on a dyno is 150. the 1200gs claims 125 and makes less than 100 on a dyno (shaft drive).
You can make a dyno say anything. The Remus advert is an advert. If it was a test the graph would show before and after results.

Bottom line, if you're modding, look at the before and after percentage change.... not the number.
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:20 AM   #171
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Could that be due to use of different measurement units?
The numbers KTM provides are Nm (Newton-meters) where as in the US I believe you use ft lbf (foot-pound force).
The conversion factor between the two is 1,356.
79,2 x 1,356 = 107,4
That would make more sense, no?
yes, you could be right

I was also under the impression that a bike loses less power with chain as opposed to shaft drive and was expecting <10% loss for chain
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:27 AM   #172
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I was also under the impression that a bike loses less power with chain as opposed to shaft drive and was expecting <10% loss for chain
From what I've read and heard your impression is right.
Generally though, a 20% loss for shaft drive seems to be accepted so 15% for chain seems reasonable too.

We'll know more on the 7th of december when mine goes on a dyno.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:07 AM   #173
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Phil, was that with the bad fuel dongle plugged in?
Pete, The red curve was with the bad fuel dongle installed and in sport setting. Green is in offroad power mode. The Dyno is a dynojet and apparently recently calibrated.

The bad fuel dongle was causing fault codes to be thrown up and really messing with the power badly - and intermittently. So the dealer disconnected it, and said that this was the only way the bike wouldn't have a problem. (Seems KTM might have a design or interface problem with the bad fuel dongle)

The maximum (blue) power curve is with all faults cleared and bike in sport - and bad fuel dongle disconnected.

With the bad fuel dongle installed, I had been keeping it in sport power mode with traction off, and abs toggling between road and off road depending on where I rode it. This is the way I like it, especially as you can lift the front wheel anytime on the dirt to clear logs etc. (not to mention holding a decent mono or power slide)

So now I'm back to the traction control nanny being on every time I start the bike.

I really hate this, as I really don't like the traction control interfering all the time, and the bad fuel dongle was supposed to fix this. I must say that the ABS is very good.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:14 AM   #174
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Green is in offroad power mode. The Dyno is a dynojet and apparently recently calibrated.
I guess that too kinda makes sense.
Offroad power mode is supposed to put out 100HP at the crank, take 15% off for drivechain loss and you end up with 85HP at the rear wheel, fairly consistent with the 86,77HP measured...
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:18 AM   #175
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I guess that too kinda makes sense.
Offroad power mode is supposed to put out 100HP at the crank, take 15% off for drivechain loss and you end up with 85HP at the rear wheel, fairly consistent with the 86,77HP measured...
Yes, you're right it does make sense. I would still like to see the power outputs of others bikes just to verify this.
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:58 AM   #176
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Was the traction control on during the runs?
Just wondering if that has any effect.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:25 PM   #177
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CanningOz, this was peter stevens dyno right?

I dont believe bolton's has a dyno so I might take mine to peter stevens again so they can look at it.

The funny thing is mine doesn't have the bad fuel dongle in it but is doing the same as yours, I think it might be something to do with a fueling problem though.. I got some fuel out in marysville from a no name servo, so i'm running it through empty before putting some new fuel in it and hopefully it sorts itself out.

If peter stevens isn't going to charge $$$$$ i wouldn't mind putting mine on the dyno with the wings and see if it gets any different to yours.
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Old 11-20-2013, 03:54 PM   #178
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CanningOz, this was peter stevens dyno right?

I dont believe bolton's has a dyno so I might take mine to peter stevens again so they can look at it.

The funny thing is mine doesn't have the bad fuel dongle in it but is doing the same as yours, I think it might be something to do with a fueling problem though.. I got some fuel out in marysville from a no name servo, so i'm running it through empty before putting some new fuel in it and hopefully it sorts itself out.

If peter stevens isn't going to charge $$$$$ i wouldn't mind putting mine on the dyno with the wings and see if it gets any different to yours.
Hi - yes, it was the Peter Stevens Dyno in A'Beckett St. It would be great to have concrete data from a comparison bike. Maybe we should go for a ride together sometime.

Pete. Not sure if TC was turned on for the dyno runs. I have asked the question.
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Old 11-20-2013, 05:33 PM   #179
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Hi - yes, it was the Peter Stevens Dyno in A'Beckett St. It would be great to have concrete data from a comparison bike. Maybe we should go for a ride together sometime.

Pete. Not sure if TC was turned on for the dyno runs. I have asked the question.
Sweet.. I'll give em a call..
Yeah for sure, we'll have to organise a ride soon ;)
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:40 AM   #180
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I'm getting real friendly with my dealer. In fact I have been talking to him after every ride. Latest issue is a message that flashes up on the screen "Air temp sensor failure"
Yesterday was about 32 degrees yet the temp gauge show -10 and I had a "caution ice" message flashing.

Booked in again.
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