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Old 07-04-2013, 07:40 AM   #16
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Sometimes it is not a matter of price, is a matter of liking to DIY.

Regarding the price, its about 70% cheaper.
Since we we had 10 bikes with 2 brake pumps each, made sense. About 600,00€ worth of sense
I've made things you haven't even thought of yet. The price is STILL cheap. I'll bet you use BOTH sides of toilet paper too.
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Old 07-04-2013, 08:55 AM   #17
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can you say that homemade brakes are more dangerous than homemade/home-modded wheels, spokes, axles, swing-arms, handlebars, windscreens, suspensions...?
Yes, they're totally different items with different safety and structural requirements.

Botching a front brake line on a motorcycle usually equates to death vs a blown suspension or spokes or other modded item =/= death (or != for you SQL guys out there).

Why take the chance? Real brake lines are made in machines that are calibrated, tested, verified, and then Q/A'd for safety. Making them yourself is negligent at best and asking for an accident.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:05 AM   #18
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Yes, they're totally different items with different safety and structural requirements.

Botching a front brake line on a motorcycle usually equates to death vs a blown suspension or spokes or other modded item =/= death (or != for you SQL guys out there).

Why take the chance? Real brake lines are made in machines that are calibrated, tested, verified, and then Q/A'd for safety. Making them yourself is negligent at best and asking for an accident.
That's only true for you and for others with the same level of expertise.

I've been making up hose assemblies for many years. Never had any problems. Aeroquip and Earls have detailed instructions online that must be followed exactly.

You'll find assembled hoses are used on most racing applications. They are also extensively used on aircraft and are FAA and MIL approved.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:09 AM   #19
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That's only true for you and for others with the same level of expertise.

I've been making up hose assemblies for many years. Never had any problems. Aeroquip and Earls have detailed instructions online that must be followed exactly.

You'll find assembled hoses are used on most racing applications. They are also extensively used on aircraft and are FAA and MIL approved.
Level of expertise has nothing to do with it . You're CHEAP.
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Old 07-04-2013, 11:39 AM   #20
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Level of expertise has nothing to do with it . You're CHEAP.
Not at all. For custom build work, it's the only practical way. Stainless hose ends aren't particularly inexpensive, either.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:21 PM   #21
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I've made things you haven't even thought of yet. The price is STILL cheap. I'll bet you use BOTH sides of toilet paper too.
Do you have any idea how much these things cost in my country to begin with?

I'll have to assume you're just trying to be funny.
Yeah, I use both sides of the toilet paper
During the winter I'll even ride with my tank cap opened so I can collect some of the rain! I can make 1 gallon of fuel last for 150miles this way! Its brilliant!

@rbjenterprises - Have you tried ebay? I actually bought my sets on a local store, but I've seen them on the ebay as well.
Send me a PM if you're having trouble, maybe I can help.
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Old 07-04-2013, 03:28 PM   #22
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I'll bet you use BOTH sides of toilet paper too.

i even use both sides of a condom, sex is only safe for me.

BTW ive been to florida, i wonder if your kid looks like me
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I have made brakes lines for airplanes, not difficult, since some planes are so old, oem lines are out of the question
Our lines are all pressure tested, doubt if DIY guys have that equipment
Yes racers make their own, you can bet thought its all been pressure tested and certified
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:43 PM   #24
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i even use both sides of a condom, sex is only safe for me.

BTW ive been to florida, i wonder if your kid looks like me

No need to turn it inside out. Just shake the fuck out of it...
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:45 PM   #25
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I have made brakes lines for airplanes, not difficult, since some planes are so old, oem lines are out of the question
Our lines are all pressure tested, doubt if DIY guys have that equipment
Yes racers make their own, you can bet thought its all been pressure tested and certified
Certified by whom?

Pressure tested? Negligent? Asking for an accident? Imminent death?



If these were so dangerous, and people were having accidents due to failure of these components, do you really think they would sell them in the most litigious of societies known to man?

As for non-DOT compliant, the DOT rules really only apply to manufacturers selling new vehicles. There are NO laws stating you cannot run these on your bike in this country, or once again, they simply would not sell them, or market them "For Race Use ONLY". I have seen no such disclaimers. Feel free to prove me wrong, and I'll retract my statement.

When it comes to the TUV, well, that's a whole 'nother ball game, isn't it? I imagine an inmate living under their auspices will be along to correct me shortly, but aren't they the people who won't let you build anything for yourself, regardless of your qualifications?

Once again, I've been using these components to build lines for motorcycles for 20 years. I've never had a single failure. Not one. Nada. No leaks, no catastrophic explosions, zip. Many customers are still riding bikes I built for them 20 years ago. With these brake lines on them. Still.

My official training regarding the installation was simple. A curmudgeonly old fucker showed me how, in his garage. On his race car (a Formula Ford). Pretty simple.

Lighten up people, and realize that it's not rocket science. It's a simple hydraulic system. Your fucking brake pistons, which see pressures of upwards of 2000 psi, are sealed with an o-ring, and most of you who decry these brake lines would not hesitate to rebuild a caliper. What's the difference?
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Certified by whom?

When it comes to the TUV, well, that's a whole 'nother ball game, isn't it? I imagine an inmate living under their auspices will be along to correct me shortly, but aren't they the people who won't let you build anything for yourself, regardless of your qualifications?
This is probably the worst thing about being in Europe. Everything happens inside this little controlled box of socially accepted standards they came up with =/

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My official training regarding the installation was simple. A curmudgeonly old fucker showed me how, in his garage. On his race car (a Formula Ford). Pretty simple.
I can relate.

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Lighten up people, and realize that it's not rocket science. It's a simple hydraulic system. Your fucking brake pistons, which see pressures of upwards of 2000 psi, are sealed with an o-ring, and most of you who decry these brake lines would not hesitate to rebuild a caliper. What's the difference?
And believe it or mot, most mechanics didn't come from the planet Mechanika through an inter-dimensional vortex, they are normal people who learned to fiddle with bikes/cars and decided they should be paid for that service
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:06 PM   #27
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And believe it or mot, most mechanics didn't come from the planet Mechanika through an inter-dimensional vortex, they are normal people who learned to fiddle with bikes/cars and decided they should be paid for that service
Yeah , sure , that's how it starts , but a lot of people never get any better than fiddling , professional or not. I know home mechanics , including myself , that are better than most mechanics at the larger dealers.
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Old 07-05-2013, 03:36 PM   #28
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Yeah , sure , that's how it starts , but a lot of people never get any better than fiddling , professional or not. I know home mechanics , including myself , that are better than most mechanics at the larger dealers.
FL must not have state mechanic's certification exams and licensed shops, then.
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FL must not have state mechanic's certification exams and licensed shops, then.
You don't have to know what you're doing to pass an exam. You're probably a perfect example.
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You don't have to know what you're doing to pass an exam. You're probably a perfect example.
And you do what for a living?
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