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Old 02-09-2014, 05:03 PM   #1771
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^^^ that white is nice! Can't wait to see one in person.
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:16 PM   #1772
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Metzler Karoo 3 tire price comparison

On the BMWLT.com site we used to have a running price comparison on tires.

Mine came with the stock road tires and I want to try the Karoo 3

Here is what I came up with
Front 120/70R-19
Dennis Kirk $153.28 + 5 shippping
Revzilla $158.36 free shipping
Sw Moto $240.00
motorcycle-superstore $183.00
Bike Bandit $158.00


Rear 170/60 R 17
Dennis Kirk $193.98 + 5 shippping
Revzilla $198.36 free shipping
Sw Moto $300.00
motorcycle-superstore $228.00
Bike Bandit $198.00

Virtually same price from Dennis Kirk and Revzilla...

Anyone see any better pricing?

Am I missing anything here?

Does this look like a good idea?

Lastly where should this be posted?
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:53 PM   #1773
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Shake down ride ESA temporary failure?

Finally got time to put some miles on GSAW today. All was good until I topped off the tank and the general warning light came on. Very cool how you can run some diagnostics via the Garimin but I could not find the fault while under way. After about 15 miles I noticed I had NO suspension. The bike had bottomed- out! Also I noticed in the lower right hand corner of the insterment screen "ESA" appeared. I stopped and reviewed the owners manul to no avail.
Knowing I had no suspension and dash warnings saying the same, I put the bike on the center stand to see if there was a visual problem. Nope! But getting the bike up and allowing the suspension to unweight resolved the fault. The suspension came back, and I had full control of the ESA button.
My day ended doing an additional 250 miles with no issues.
It will be interesting to see what the dealer has to say about this at the first service!
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:54 PM   #1774
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Check out these guys.... no shipping cost.... under $350 for a set.
http://www.americanmototire.com/cata...h=200_248_1065
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Old 02-09-2014, 06:08 PM   #1775
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The LED headlight can always be retrofitted on the bike if you really want it later on. Thats the only thing my new GSAW doesnt have either.
Thanks for your comment. I really don't care about the LED headlights. The standard headlights should be good. Just like other bikes. I'm planning to install a pair of Clear Water Krista for better visibility on my early morning rides heading up north. Lots of deers on hwy 507 ;-)

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Old 02-09-2014, 06:24 PM   #1776
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Check out these guys.... no shipping cost.... under $350 for a set.
http://www.americanmototire.com/cata...h=200_248_1065
I will add them to the list.

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Old 02-09-2014, 07:20 PM   #1777
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So for those, that like me, ride mainly without the passenger seat, taking of the rear seat on a '14 leaves a gap... So BMW made a cover plate that permanently attaches to 4 bolts that also hold the pannier racks. On the oil-head I liked taking off the rear seat and just plugging it in when I wanted to - on the '14 it's a different concept; the cover plate is installed permanently but has a latch that gives access to a storage compartment for small things like a bike manual and a GPS. It pops open with the key that you normally use to take off the rear seat.





Protection for the expensive LED headlamp, this is the Touratech headlight guard. The BMW headlight guard looked funky, a big triangle from the beak up. The Touratech one does the job:



What you see here is the BMW Adventure enlarged skid plate... Just like the oil-head, the stock plate on the '14 is tiny and I have bottomed the oil-head occasionally on endure rides - thankfully I had an enlarged skid plate installed. I consider the larger skid plate a necessity if you take the bike off-road. It's hardly visible from the side/top view, but this is how it looks installed:



I wasn't going to leave the dealer without proper endure tires - TKC80s Front (120/70R19) and Rear (170/60R17). Don't forget to take off the splash guard, they break easily off-road:





I had bar risers on my oil-head and after just a few road miles I already knew I needed a pair on this bike too. With risers while standing up you get better ergonomics for your arms. Rox seems to do the trick:



Got the GPS Prep package? The Nav 5 is really cool and the thumbwheel operation on the handle bar is just fantastic! I'm still exploring with it, but it's really cool.



This by now "famous" un-lockable storage compartment on top of the gas tank can hold the garage opener, it's a nice spot for it!



So the bike is right here at home. I have the BMW Panniers (all 3) on order because I got them for a slight discount as part of the deal; the brackets are already on the bike; the exhaust side has a cutout; and the keys will be locked to the ignition. I know there are a few alternatives out there - and anodized black would look really good (less visible on the road though) - but it would come at a higher price point and not be keyed to the ignition. I went with BMW Panniers again. Will post pics when I have them mounted.



As for riding it, well I took it home - 20 miles. I came from an oil-head, 35k miles total (I had 2 different Adv) and took it on BDR's, logging roads, even some single tracks (I'm not saying that was intentional - LOL). The '14 feels a lot lighter as soon as you sit down. It's powerful. It seats differently, it's an adjustment that I can tell more about after a bit more seat time. The oil-head had excellent wind protection, the wind protection and noise on the '14 is more present. I played with the one hand screen height adjustment a little bit (nice!) and couldn't get it to an equal or as comfortable setting as the oil-head provided. I'm thinking about adding a wind deflector once they become available.

Other items I am considering before taking her off pavent:
- Valve guards - the crash bars will catch a drop, but the heads are exposed (no covers)
- Radiator guards
- Side stand foot enlarger (it's positioned more forward, but has a tiny foot print)
- Fog light protectors
- Enduro hand guards


Here is the '09 oil-head, the '14 is a leap forward in just about every way:



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Old 02-09-2014, 07:41 PM   #1778
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Thanks for your comment. I really don't care about the LED headlights. The standard headlights should be good. Just like other bikes. I'm planning to install a pair of Clear Water Krista for better visibility on my early morning rides heading up north. Lots of deers on hwy 507 ;-)

Cheers
I don't have the LED on my '13 GSW. I really wanted it, but after getting the bike, I found the headlight was quite a bit better than the oil cooled ones. Add some aux. lights like most do and it's a non issue.

Further, with the '13s, I realized the package to get the LED was about $1200 and included the TPMS. I didn't care about TPMS so would be paying that money for the LED only. In the end, it's more or less a wash to buy the LED at purchase or to buy it later if you really want it.

In other words, if you want the bike they have in stock and the headlight is the only thing holding you back, then buy it without worry and ride the damn thing.
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:50 PM   #1779
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So for those, that like me, ride mainly without the passenger seat, taking of the rear seat on a '14 leaves a gap... So BMW made a cover plate that permanently attaches to 4 bolts that also hold the pannier racks. On the oil-head I liked taking off the rear seat and just plugging it in when I wanted to - on the '14 it's a different concept; the cover plate is installed permanently but has a latch that gives access to a storage compartment for small things like a bike manual and a GPS. It pops open with the key that you normally use to take off the rear seat.





Protection for the expensive LED headlamp, this is the Touratech headlight guard. The BMW headlight guard looked funky, a big triangle from the beak up. The Touratech one does the job:



~ SNIP ~
We set up (and ride) our GSA's in a very similar fashion. I also remove the "possum catcher" before it falls off on some Jeep trail. I'm going with a bigger skid plate (BDCW's or AltRider's) to protect the Cat. Also ordered the pillion kit thingy (no one wants to ride my pillion anyway) and liked seeing your pix. Mine's still at the shop waiting on parts.

One thing: we do some LED R&D stuff at work and these light units produce an incredible amount of heat. The BMW lights are known for this and you can see it in the air flow design of the beak and louvres. It's for this reason I went with the big BMW triangle-shaped guard as it's designed to protect without impeding air flow to the unit. No other plex guard I've seen will do this for you. You can trim off the lower piece of the TT guard blocking the louvres and it might work OK. Something to keep an eye on for sure.

I'm betting you don't get 2000 miles off that rear TKC80. I never do. Prolly gonna run a TKC80 front and SAS MC60 rear. They sure look beastie on your bike, though.
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Old 02-09-2014, 09:07 PM   #1780
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so - 2 days of ownership, 700km and one puncture.

Still, while i'm fixing it I can always enjoy watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrWA9vrxhyE
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:34 AM   #1781
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txrder2- glad you posted info on the rear plate. I have one ordered to pick up this week. I also removed pillion on my GS as the wife hasn't ridden since picking me up from a hospital after a crash in TX hill country

Disappointing that it doesn't attach and detach like the pillion seat though just in case I got lucky once. BMW didn't give a lot of description on the part.
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:44 AM   #1782
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Finally got time to put some miles on GSAW today. All was good until I topped off the tank and the general warning light came on. ... After about 15 miles I noticed I had NO suspension. The bike had bottomed- out! ...
It will be interesting to see what the dealer has to say about this at the first service!
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A bit alarming to think the default (in the event of electric failure) is bottomed out suspension. Failure during a trip sounds like it might end the ride or result in playing Peter Fonda.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:11 AM   #1783
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Thanks for your comment. I really don't care about the LED headlights. The standard headlights should be good. Just like other bikes. I'm planning to install a pair of Clear Water Krista for better visibility on my early morning rides heading up north. Lots of deers on hwy 507 ;-)

Cheers
To each his own of course, but bear in mind that one of the iconic things that define the "wet" version IS the LED light.
Also note that it WILL affect resale price (ok many people don't actually care about what will happen when and if they sell their bike) and resale in general (people will always prefer the one with the LED first).

Of course, it is your purse.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:16 AM   #1784
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Finally got time to put some miles on GSAW today. All was good until I topped off the tank and the general warning light came on. Very cool how you can run some diagnostics via the Garimin but I could not find the fault while under way. After about 15 miles I noticed I had NO suspension. The bike had bottomed- out! Also I noticed in the lower right hand corner of the insterment screen "ESA" appeared. I stopped and reviewed the owners manul to no avail.
Knowing I had no suspension and dash warnings saying the same, I put the bike on the center stand to see if there was a visual problem. Nope! But getting the bike up and allowing the suspension to unweight resolved the fault. The suspension came back, and I had full control of the ESA button.
My day ended doing an additional 250 miles with no issues.
It will be interesting to see what the dealer has to say about this at the first service!
Cheers
I suspect the new WGSA doesn't like the weight getting changed much after the ESA has set its starting parameters.
BMW will probably come up with some directive that WGSA should be fueled ON center stand and with the ignition key in full-off position.
(for example in my 07 I unlock the fuel cap, then put the ignition key back in "waiting to start" position mostly to not allow my alarm to arm and to easily reset the partial km gauge and not have to wait for the "init" process after refueling - which is obviously NOT the way I should do it with new WGSA)

We'll see I guess.
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Old 02-10-2014, 04:42 AM   #1785
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To each his own of course, but bear in mind that one of the iconic things that define the "wet" version IS the LED light.
Also note that it WILL affect resale price (ok many people don't actually care about what will happen when and if they sell their bike) and resale in general (people will always prefer the one with the LED first).

Of course, it is your purse.
I agree I would wait for the light myself and if I would be buying used I would look for one with the new light.
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