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Old 07-05-2013, 10:25 PM   #1
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CRF230F vs XR250

Hi Chaps,

I’m a newbie. I have a question about Honda Brazilian bikes.

I’m looking to buy an air-cooled 4-stroke dual purpose bike as I live in a village where there’s a lot of gravel roads and some sand.

Where I live, the ones that are currently available brand-new (2013) are:

XR125L
XR250 Tornado
CRF230F

Also available is Yamaha XTZ250 but I’m more interested in Honda.

I want at least 200cc displacement, which leaves me to just two options – CRF230F and XR250 Tornado.

I believe that the two of the most important components are the engine and the frame, so I will just ask about these two components for now.

Is it true that the CRF frame is of the same DNA as the XR125L frame? I have downloaded the parts catalogue of those models and the frames look remarkable similar but the part numbers are not the same though. Are they the same size physically? The sales brochure states that the CRF frame is made of high-tensile steel (chrome-moly?)

The current Tornado frame appears (to me) the same as the pre-1995 XR250R frame. But the original pre-1995 XR250R engine was wet-sump and the current XR250 Tornado engine is dry-sump, so I find it a bit confusing in terms of fitment (see link below). Can anyone enlighten me?

http://www.trailslesstraveled.com/me...gine_specs.jpg

XR250 Tornado engine
This engine is short stroke (73mm x 59.5mm) so it will have good rev ability. This engine has 4 valves (DOHC). I am surprised by that because Porsche could not make 4 valves work in their aircooled 911 engine. The later 911 models (959 and GT3) got 4-valves but that was with water-cooled heads. So, is the Tornado engine any good? Can the heads to be converted to 2-valves? And what is the case material?

CRF230F engine
It's quite square, meaning equal bore and stroke (65.5mm x 66.2mm). I guess this configuration is good for trailing, yes? Engine type 2 valves SOHC, so it’s an old school engine hence no conversion required, and I think the case material is aluminium, but is it wet or dry-sump? I can’t find information anywhere about the sump type of this engine. Anyone know?

Dry weight
XR250 Tornado 134kg
CRF230F 114kg

Both are similar priced. Which one to buy?

I would appreciate your opinions and inputs. Many thanks in advance. :-)

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Old 07-06-2013, 09:21 AM   #2
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2 of these bikes were not sold in the US or Canada, so responses may be few, as many of us have never seen them.

The 20kg lower weight of the 230 sounds compelling compared to the 250, but you don't state what your uses will be so hard to know how important that is.

The CRF230 was e-start here; is the XR250?
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Old 07-06-2013, 02:14 PM   #3
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Well, I think the original XR250R (pre-1995) were sold in the US and Canada back then. I think the current Tornado is the same as that but dry sump and 4-valve DOHC.

Also, I think the CRF230F are being sold in the US and Canada right now, aren't they?

As far as I know, both of these current models are e-start only (no kick start unfortunately).

Yes, you're right that the 20kg lower weight of the CRF230F is compelling but I forgot to mention that it does not have the capacity to carry a passenger (max weight 100kg), so that's a slight disadvantage. Can this be modded?

My use will be about 70% gravel and 30% asphalt. Sometimes to go shopping for groceries and sometimes go for fun on gravel. Daily use but not long distance - about 3 or 4 miles a day, and in some weekends will take a long trip to another village about 30 miles each way (gravel all the way).

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The CRF230F is wet sump and does not have an oil filter. There's a mesh strainer built in to the drain plug and a centrifugal sludge trap mounted on the crank that requires little or no maintenance from what I've heard.
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Old 09-01-2013, 01:13 PM   #5
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is the xr250 a RFVC motor? you said DOHC? but the Xr's from like 83 up had the RFVC. that is a really good motor, maybe one of the best.

also what is the price difference?4

btw you made me reply to an old post Possu :(
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Old 09-01-2013, 04:32 PM   #6
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I have rented the Tornado in Costa Rica and have CRF230L in the US. I would choose the Tornado. I think it is a much more modern bike than the CRF. The CRF is much lighter and you can feel the difference. But, the Tornado is probably better for everything except pure off road.
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:05 AM   #7
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I got a CRF230F for my son when I got him into trail riding

I've got an XR400 & XR650 So I'm a little partial to XR's, so if the Tornado is basically a XR250 I'd go for it.

The few occaisions when I rode his CRF230 it felt like I was riding a brick with two wheels. The supension sucks! On the same occaisions when he rode my bike he he loved the ride of mine, I can only imagine!

I actually felt bad for him riding that thing after I did knowing how rough a ride that thing was.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:27 AM   #8
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A pre-'96 XR250 is still a better bike than a CRF230 and a '96 and up XR250R is WAY better than a CRF230. Better suspension and more power. Not sure why there is a big weight difference on this "tornado" and a CRF.

1995 XR250R = 229.3 lbs dry

2013 CRF230 = 249 wet with fuel.

...seems to me they should weigh about the same.

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Old 12-24-2013, 10:33 AM   #9
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XR250R vs CRF230

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A pre-'96 XR250 is still a better bike than a CRF230 and a '96 and up XR250R is WAY better than a CRF230. Better suspension and more power. Not sure why there is a big weight difference on this "tornado" and a CRF.

1995 XR250R = 229.3 lbs dry

2013 CRF230 = 249 wet with fuel.

...seems to me they should weigh about the same.

Dave
I own both XR250R and the CRF230R

1. crf230F has the better geometry frame, Modern feel compared to the XR.
2. CRF230F make a ton more low end than the XR250R
3. Uncorked CRF230 feels stronger than than the XR250R, and most likely is!

1. XR250R bike of choice for guys over (5' 10") five foot ten inches.
2.XR250R has more top in power.
3. Stock for stock XR comes better suspended.

The XR250r is a better bike of the two if both are left in stock form...correct the spension of the Crf230f with uncorking, you'll then find there's no comparing a XR250 with a CRF230.

If you are six feet and above go XR250R. If you are five ten and below go crf230

The XR250R has 1980's geometry, the CRF230 has a very modern feel once suspension has been corrected. The XR will remain with the old eighty feel no matter what up grades due to its geometry.

Your choice!

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