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Old 08-17-2014, 01:15 AM   #1
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Lithium Ion Battery Which is best ?

Ok so looks like I'm in need of a new Battery again .
And thinking about getting my first Lithium ion battery .
Any preferences out there now seeing they have been out a while ? Ive read about a few Shorai Failures .

Cheers Ps I don't want one to fail in the cold weather in the middle of shit creek
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Old 08-17-2014, 05:30 AM   #2
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The biggest you can fit to the bike.

36ah, and they aren´t cheap.

Maybe make your own.
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Old 08-17-2014, 05:31 AM   #3
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Earth X 36ah should be the bomb so far, but much will happen in the next few years..
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Old 08-17-2014, 06:06 AM   #4
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earth x 36ah should be the bomb so far, but much will happen in the next few years..
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:57 AM   #5
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I like the voltage protection technology in EarthX. Read somewhere that someone had a catastrophic failure but it was due to his faulty regulator overcharging and the battery was an early one...pre-voltage-protection. EarthX replaced his battery free anyway. Catastrophic failures happen with lead acid batts as well...and then there is all that acid and hydrogen...I do plan to add a voltmeter during my next winter outage.

Not as big a weight saving with the 36ers but I wanted the extra amp hour capacity for reliability's sake. All Lithiums may need to be cranked a few times to get them to operating temp when very cold. Its good to have some reserve for that. Mine cranks faster than the Yuasa ever did, even after sitting for several weeks. Supposedly they lose volts so slowly you can go all winter without a top-up.I cannot speak to its cold starting abilities as I havent had the opportunity to try (it was a busy winter), but others can...plenty of threads on this.
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Old 08-17-2014, 10:27 AM   #6
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I've owned three Li-ion batteries. The fact that they are so light is definitely cool! I've replaced two of them that died with regular lead acid batteries since. The other is getting a bit flaky but still kicking.

In my limited experience they are great but had fairly short lives due to them wanting a bit more tender loving care than I give them. Seven bikes, and some sit for awhile between getting ridden and no, I don't have 7 battery tenders.

Since I don't race the weight savings was the only advantage and not worth the extra costs to me. The technology is still evolving. I'm sure I'll own more or something similar in the future, just not now.
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:42 PM   #7
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My local dealer and I could not get an Earth-X battery to work right in my 950. Tried 3 of them over a 1-2 month time period. The circuitry would regularly trip and cut off all voltage to bike, usually 5-15 minutes into a ride. Solution was to coast to safety and wait 5 minutes for it to come back online. They tested the reg/rect and the output was fine. Went back to OEM battery and bike runs awesome again.
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:48 PM   #8
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I've had two Li-Ion batteries. One in my BMW 1150 GS Adventure and now one in my 990 Adventure R.
Both were/are Anti Gravity.
When shopping for safety gear, tires or batteries I see no reason to limit the field by price.

I have not been disappointed.
The notoriously hard to start cold BMW had no issues below 30 degrees F after the Anti-Gravity battery install. Prior?
I was in Colorado one October camped at elevation on the western slope out on BLM land by a lake. The overnight low was 14F. Got to 33 inside the motorhome. I knew better than to even think about pushing that starter button after breakfast as I had given it a try at the Grand Canyon a few days prior while at about 33 out in the shade before the sun got through the trees.
I let the bike warm in the sun until that outside temps were into the 40's and it did fire up reluctantly. I started my search for the Anti-Gravity soon afterward.

The KTM has been fired up at below 30 twice now with no issues. I've left it sitting for three weeks and come home and it fired right up.
I'll not ever have anything else in a motorcycle.

From "new-to-me" to now is about 14,000 miles. No issues at all with starting or holding charges.
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Anti Gravity:


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Old 08-17-2014, 07:29 PM   #9
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You might want to read this thread before buying.
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Old 08-17-2014, 08:28 PM   #10
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With fingers crossed, I have been fine with the Shorai in my 990 after upgrading my voltage regulator. No real cold weather yet. I carry a jump start battery with me as backup.
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Old 08-17-2014, 09:58 PM   #11
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I use a 12 cell Ballistics battery.

On my third summer with it no problems.

The previous two winters I left the battery in the bike over the winter and the bike fired up fine in the spring... And that's without a trickle charge all winter!
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:40 AM   #12
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Has anyone ever tried the Powerparts Li battery? Might only be available for the 1190, but I guess it won't affect the warranty...
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Old 08-18-2014, 02:49 AM   #13
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Ok , Ive done some research here in Oz & it turns out both Ballistix & Antigravity have terrible dealer support here , every listed dealer I rang they no longer stock em
But there's a Co called SSB lithium ion so may give them a go ?

Unless anybody here know's a dealer in Oz ?
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Old 08-18-2014, 09:17 AM   #14
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I've gotten three years out of my Shorai.
Bike sits for months at a time between long rides.
So far, it's been just like any other battery, just lighter.
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Old 08-18-2014, 06:45 PM   #15
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I have Antigravity in several bikes and have not had a problem.
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