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Old 01-16-2014, 01:52 PM   #106
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Yes... This is the biggest problem with such forums. Full of such valuable information and then some people just go along and quote their ideas, that can be total BS, and others then use this as a reference...
No there is no akra map for the 1190 adventure/R

The wings manufacturer told me personally via email that it is ok to run the wings exhaust with the smal (I.e. Less restrictive) baffle in, but not without any baffle.
On the other hand the Australian dealer for wings said that it is ok to run the wings on a standard map 1190, without any baffles... Both to me via email and on the South African forum...
Upon querying this with the manufacturer again he said it is ok to run without baffles.

Conclusion: even though their products are of the most premium quality out there, they need to get their story straight, at least between themselves. Sorry but I won't be risking my engine on a bike that I want to have for many years...
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:15 PM   #107
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Yes... This is the biggest problem with such forums. Full of such valuable information and then some people just go along and quote their ideas, that can be total BS, and others then use this as a reference...

No there is no akra map for the 1190 adventure/R



The wings manufacturer told me personally via email that it is ok to run the wings exhaust with the smal (I.e. Less restrictive) baffle in, but not without any baffle.

On the other hand the Australian dealer for wings said that it is ok to run the wings on a standard map 1190, without any baffles... Both to me via email and on the South African forum...

Upon querying this with the manufacturer again he said it is ok to run without baffles.



Conclusion: even though their products are of the most premium quality out there, they need to get their story straight, at least between themselves. Sorry but I won't be risking my engine on a bike that I want to have for many years...

I would bet the difference in opinion has more to do with different peoples understanding of emissions/noise control regs in different countries, than how the bike will run.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:15 PM   #108
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Earlier in this forum some one had asked about getting a Wings pipe.
I ordered it last Sunday and it showed up today. Wow, I was very surprised that it came this quickly. Btw, he provides a tracking number to track the shipment
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:09 PM   #109
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Earlier in this forum some one had asked about getting a Wings pipe.
I ordered it last Sunday and it showed up today. Wow, I was very surprised that it came this quickly. Btw, he provides a tracking number to track the shipment
Yes, excellent service! I still waiting on my Arrow front pipe to get here. It was shipped over a week ago from over the pond. I can't say enough about Wings service and quality of product. I am very happy and highly recommend.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:26 PM   #110
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Yes, excellent service! I still waiting on my Arrow front pipe to get here. It was shipped over a week ago from over the pond. I can't say enough about Wings service and quality of product. I am very happy and highly recommend.
did you order the Arrow with or without the Cat Convertor?
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:28 PM   #111
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did you order the Arrow with or without the Cat Convertor?
Without. I ordered it well before the holidays but I was told that the factory was closed for the holidays and would reopen Jan 6. They certainly don't use UPS like Wings does. Like you, I had that in less than a week.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:43 PM   #112
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Got the Arrow, love it. Ya it took three weeks to get here.
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:08 AM   #113
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I'll muddy the waters a little more regarding the Wings baffles. I asked the question too and the reply was....run with either baffle in, no problem. No baffle and the bike needs to be set up with something like a power commander.

I run mine with the big baffle in place.
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:21 AM   #114
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Has anyone dyno'd an adv with an arrow catless pipe and aftermarket muffler? Does running the arrow catless pipe make a difference with the underseat heat?
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:23 AM   #115
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Does running the arrow catless pipe make a difference with the underseat heat?
I'm hoping it does.
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:45 AM   #116
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Without. I ordered it well before the holidays but I was told that the factory was closed for the holidays and would reopen Jan 6. They certainly don't use UPS like Wings does. Like you, I had that in less than a week.
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Got the Arrow, love it. Ya it took three weeks to get here.
I wanted to order the arrow front pipes, but the arrow importer and the KTM importer do not have any experience with these pipes for the KTM 1190 adventure, so they recommanded not to buy them yet....

The problem is the O2 (or lambda?) sensor only has a reach from 0.98 to 1.02 and problably the values will exeat(?) that range with arrow front pipes.
According my dealer there is a mapping for open exhaust, but there is no map for front pipes without cat...
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:00 AM   #117
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I wanted to order the arrow front pipes, but the arrow importer and the KTM importer do not have any experience with these pipes for the KTM 1190 adventure, so they recommanded not to buy them yet....

The problem is the O2 (or lambda?) sensor only has a reach from 0.98 to 1.02 and problably the values will exeat(?) that range with arrow front pipes.
According my dealer there is a mapping for open exhaust, but there is no map for front pipes without cat...
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:09 AM   #118
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Sorry, I'm from Belgium. We first learn Dutch and French so English is only my 3th language...

Which part isn't clear?
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:17 AM   #119
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Well and written and informative. Thank you.
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:49 AM   #120
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Talkin bout the engine will need more fuel to compensate for the extra flow of no cats/no internal baffles.
The ECU would need a remapping (not available) or piggyback (powercommander?) If you get the Arrow headers&can it would be a good idea taking your bike to a dyno so you know where the air/fuel ratio is.
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