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Old 07-17-2013, 04:27 PM   #1
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Euro Licences: Is it Equal?

OK, my son is approaching 16, which means I will pay for a 'chicken chaser', 50cc, scooter CBT so he gets a taste/feel for 2-wheels.

At 17, I can pay for a full 125cc CBT, and at 19 a 47bhp 'direct access' course in the UK.

But, here's the rub, he is resident in France; he stays with me for Easter and Summer, and alternate December/Jan.

My experience of French bureaucracy is not good, and I know that registering a UK bike in France is a nightmare.

So, here's my euro question; if I pay for all his training in the UK, will the French recognise the licence?

Or shall I just transfer him the money to his French bank account, and cut out all the fun?

I would much rather be with him, in the UK, riding, even if I have to buy two 125cc bikes to do it.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:28 PM   #2
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This sums up practically all

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EU driving licences
Before you move to a new country, make sure your driving licence has not expired.

Provisional licences or certificates issued in your home country will not be recognised in other EU countries.

If you move to another country, you can drive there with your current
licence as long as it remains valid.
The following categories AM, A1, A2, A, B, BE, B1, B1E, C1, C1E, C, CE, D1, D1E, D and DE are recognised throughout Europe.

EU countries must ensure that all driving licences in circulation are in the new EU standard format by 2033 at the latest.

If you have a driving licence for life, you will be informed by your EU country of residence when to exchange your driving licence for one in the EU standard format.

Renewing / exchanging licences
You can have your licence renewed (or exchanged from a licence issued by another country) only by the authorities of the country where you are resident.

They will exchange your original driving licence for a local one. You will then be subject to the same rules as nationals of that country regarding validity periods, medical checks and so on.
That in bold is the important part
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:40 PM   #3
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That in bold is the important part
Thank you mate

If I have read your post right, my son will need a provisional licence in each country, but if he passes the A2 test (the one we would aim for, aged 19) that should be valid across Europe, no matter where he takes the test?
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:34 PM   #4
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Thank you mate

If I have read your post right, my son will need a provisional licence in each country, but if he passes the A2 test (the one we would aim for, aged 19) that should be valid across Europe, no matter where he takes the test?
Nope. It's allways your country of residence which issues your licence. You may take the test elsewhere but they will not issue you a licence. Your country of residence will compare curriculums and deside if additional training is needed. Licence is valid across Europe as a tourist for months. If you take a new residence you have to exchange the licence to that country. You can't have provisional licences. You have just one from your county of residence.

That's how it goes in the EU. I don't know if the UK and France have additional agreements in place.
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Old 07-18-2013, 02:41 AM   #5
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as said Jan , your son will have to get his licence in his country of residence - then the license e.g. A1 (limited to 125cc <15 kw bikes) will be valid in all europe

There's lot of talk about, because there are situations - eg. double citizenship Italian/UK where in Italy you could legally obtain an A2 licence at 18 years when in UK are 19, but EU treaties impose both the free movements of people and equal acceptance of other EU countries licenses ...

Anyway, the bottom line is to get the licence where one is living/using it more .
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:54 PM   #6
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The conversation with his mother may not go well.

Thanks guys.

Looks like I'll have to wait until he is 19+ and send him the money for an A2 test in France, even if he claims dual-citizenship at aged 16.
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Here more info from EU

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-10_en.htm
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:58 AM   #8
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... even if he claims dual-citizenship at aged 16.
Nobody cares about the citizenship, you might come from Turkey or India as well.
The driving license must be is issued from the (principal) residence (>= 185 continuous days) authorities.
No "driving license tourism".
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:28 PM   #9
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Ray - not sure if this helps but give the link a go.

It is perfectly legal to use a European licence in the UK with no restrictions for 3 years of residency, after which you can exchange it for a UK licence without taking any road tests. Otherwise, the UK recognises any EU licence the same as a UK licence.

Not sure if France is the same, however, with non French EU licences.
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Interesting. In Australia, its completely different from EU. Apart from tourists, every new arrival must take a full riding test regardless of what license they already have. If they have been riding before, then the only concession is that they are permitted to fastrack through the provisional phase. However, if they fail any part of the test then they must start the whole procedure again with no provisional concessions. Yes we are over governed.
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Interesting. In Australia, its completely different from EU. Apart from tourists, every new arrival must take a full riding test regardless of what license they already have. If they have been riding before, then the only concession is that they are permitted to fastrack through the provisional phase. However, if they fail any part of the test then they must start the whole procedure again with no provisional concessions. Yes we are over governed.
But are the drivers better as a result? I'm guessing probably no different than anywhere else... apart from Germany perhaps, they are probably the most consistent of the places I've been.
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But are the drivers better as a result? I'm guessing probably no different than anywhere else... apart from Germany perhaps, they are probably the most consistent of the places I've been.
Hopefully. Bear in mind that our intake is from any other country in the world - not only the EU states like you guys. Anyone whom has taken a MC test in Asia (say Indonesia) will be aware how much tests can vary. I have and it lasted 5 minutes and consisted of slow speed bike control on an off road course.
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Direct access term is only used for when your at the age you can get a full power license it used to be 21 now its 24, 47bhp is the A2 restricted license, European licenses from another country are supposed to be changed for the one of the country after a year legally but I've known enough people who have never been asked to change a polish license to a uk even though they've been in the uk for years. Same with vehicles they can be used on UK plates in a another country for a year as long as you have a GB sign on the license plate as required.
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Direct access term is only used for when your at the age you can get a full power license it used to be 21 now its 24, 47bhp is the A2 restricted license, European licenses from another country are supposed to be changed for the one of the country after a year legally but I've known enough people who have never been asked to change a polish license to a uk even though they've been in the uk for years. Same with vehicles they can be used on UK plates in a another country for a year as long as you have a GB sign on the license plate as required.
After 3 years for EU licences and 1 year for non-EU a resident won't be asked to change the licence, but their insurance will be invalid and if they get stopped the police would view them as unlicenced and uninsured... 6 points, minimum £300 fine, mandatory impounding of vehicle and possible loss of licence (once exchanged) and/or imprisonment (for example if drunk and/or caused serious injury/death).
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Old 09-03-2013, 12:37 PM   #15
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im getting my motorcycle licence shortly here in canada the licence will be a learner one for 9 months which includes these restrictions:
-no night time riding
-no passenger
-no towing
-maintain a zero blood alcohol level

CAA will issue me a international drivers which will state i have a class 6 learners level anyone have any idea what this will mean in france when im living there? im 29 and have had my full licence since i was 15 1/2 no infractions i will only be in france for a year maximum and the learners restrictions are as above, would it simply translate? would i have to adhere to a learner restrictions in france? if so what are they?

i really want to get my licence here as it would only cost me 240 with the rebate for taking the longer course my sister said its much more of a process over there costing over 1000 euros and much more classes etc i may be splitting hairs here and im sure it would be up to the officer if he wanted to give me a ticket or just not bother but if i had some sort of documentation saying my licence was equal would it help having it before hand and just hand it over with all my other information if i was questioned?
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