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Old 07-20-2013, 07:48 AM   #16
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I would have thought that a bike which is easy to start, might be worth looking at, before opting for a hard to start difficult to ride 500?

Why do I not find it surprising twinsucker is scared of big bores? Hard to start? Difficult to ride? Not.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:29 AM   #17
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You got an easy method to start a 500cc MX bike? None of those I had started that well, and simply cant see the point of having one for playbike use.
That is because you are totally clueless about the technical aspects of
Anything to do with two strokes.

You use the wrong oil at the wrong ratio with improper jetting

My KX500 was a great bike for MX and off road use.
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Old 07-20-2013, 11:13 AM   #18
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The 84-86 cr500 motors are short-rod motors, the short rod reduced crankcase volume & makes for more hit. I just barely noticed your 84 in you sig , yeah thats what I'm talking about. They are a beast to kick period, it makes me wonder how honda sold them. Have you thought about a de-compressor ? Also you might could try & see if some of the other 85-88 kickers are different lengths to get it so its further under the peg.

An 84 would be in the collection if I could collect, a friend had one in high school & man they go.

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Old 07-20-2013, 01:37 PM   #19
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Well, the '84 CR500 just sold so now I'm in search mode.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:26 AM   #20
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If I could find one cheap enough! Those things come in 500, 600 and 700cc as I recall.
I remember reading a test on them and the author preferred the 600. Said the 700 was kinda like a diesel and didn't change RPM much.
How cheap is cheap enough? You never know....

Mine is a 620cc, they also come in 500 and 685, and it was Frank White who gave his impressions of the different displacement bikes: 500=fun, 620=race, and 685(700)=for old guys who want to climb hills.

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Old 07-21-2013, 09:04 AM   #21
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That's a sweet bike Rokoneer!

Well, I know I can find a decent CR or KX for $1500.00 or less. So, how cheap is cheap? Probably $1500.00 or less.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:25 AM   #22
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Okay, here's a little side-step---how do you guys think a 2003 CR250R would deal with what I want? Reason I ask is one has come up for sale here--female ridden (not that that's any better or worse--it's listed in the ad) and they're asking $2000 or best offer.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:22 PM   #23
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The 250 will definitely pull well and has a broader rev-range than a 500.
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Old 07-21-2013, 02:38 PM   #24
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That's a sweet bike Rokoneer!

Well, I know I can find a decent CR or KX for $1500.00 or less. So, how cheap is cheap? Probably $1500.00 or less.
I had an 01 CR250R it was a decent bike then I bought a 02 YZ250 much better bike especially the suspension and handling aspects . I would hold out for a YZ especially if you are looking to ride it offroad.

If you can afford it try to get an 06 YZ 250 go that route, it has the SSS suspension which is phenomenal and worth the extra money.
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:36 AM   #25
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That is because you are totally clueless about the technical aspects of
Anything to do with two strokes.

You use the wrong oil at the wrong ratio with improper jetting

My KX500 was a great bike for MX and off road use.

Coming from someone who suggests its better to use very thin autolube oil in 2T pre-mix bikes, its surprising that they choose to suggest anyone other than themselves is not technically competent?
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Old 07-22-2013, 10:41 AM   #26
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Okay, here's a little side-step---how do you guys think a 2003 CR250R would deal with what I want? Reason I ask is one has come up for sale here--female ridden (not that that's any better or worse--it's listed in the ad) and they're asking $2000 or best offer.

The 250 would certainly be far easier to get on with than a 500, and is likely to be perfect for what you want.

However the thing that seems to have been almost entirely overlooked on this thread, is that for anyone with a restricted budget, the condition of the bike is far more important than make, model, capacity.
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Old 07-22-2013, 02:24 PM   #27
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Okay, how about a 1998 YZ250? I unerstand they have pretty decent lower RPM torque compared to their peers and a nice spread of power. Anything to be aware of on these bikes? There's a real cheap one about 2 hours away from me. It's too pipey for the current "older" owner.
I really like Yamahas by the way. If they were still offering a 600+cc dual-sport here, I would be riding one.
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Old 07-22-2013, 05:37 PM   #28
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The 250 would certainly be far easier to get on with than a 500, and is likely to be perfect for what you want.
NOPE. in sand, POWER is everything. yes technique comes into play, but any time you slow down for any reason, the big hp sure helps. sure, you can do just fine with 250cc, but if you want tractable power the big bores are tailor made for sand. clearly this is a sand thread, not about what's easier to ride trials with. or any other terrain for that matter.

if it's straight up neverending sand, you gotta go bigger bore than 250cc. rokoneer's atk would make just about the sweetest sand bike.. wouldn't wanna ride it in the trails though... if you gotta go yz250, go much newer - the sss forked models are starting to come down in price...

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:06 PM   #29
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NOPE. in sand, POWER is everything.
A 250 you will wear out pretty quick "trying" to keep up with the 500's. Not to call you rotund but what do you weigh? A really clean bike is a hard to find used I usually figure $1000 just to get it up to snuff + farkles. 03 - 04 chromoly framed yz250 + a big bore kit & a wr400 wide ratio trans would be a blast. You could do it with the cr & 01 was the last year of the best motor, 450x trannies fit from what I hear

one of these older balance shaft gas gas would make a fun all around 250 with a 300 big bore cylinder of course

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other...#ht_500wt_1022

If I was looking for a 250 I'd spend some time here

http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=57

or anybike here

http://www.bikefinds.com/ or here http://www.yakaz.com/
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The 250 will definitely pull well and has a broader rev-range than a 500.
Someone needs to ride a K5 with "powervalves"
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