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Old 08-01-2013, 08:55 AM   #1
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Hi All

So my question is, which bike would you buy the Adventure or the Adventure "R"
Will be doing 80% road and 20% dirt for now.
I also have a Kawasaki concours 1400

I need help deciding

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Old 08-01-2013, 09:51 AM   #2
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Hi All

So my question is, which bike would you buy the Adventure or the Adventure "R"
Will be doing 80% road and 20% dirt for now.
I also have a Kawasaki concours 1400

I need help deciding

thanks
I already answer this in another topic but for you it's the standard no brainer , r is more hard core off road , if you want to pass rivers and deserts ,standard is more road bike but can do some offroad which is more then enough for a normal rider.
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Old 08-01-2013, 10:13 AM   #3
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I already answer this in another topic but for you it's the standard no brainer , r is more hard core off road , if you want to pass rivers and deserts ,standard is more road bike but can do some offroad which is more then enough for a normal rider.
Thanks for the answer

is th "R" just as good on the road as the regular adventure?

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Old 08-01-2013, 10:40 AM   #4
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Thanks for the answer

is th "R" just as good on the road as the regular adventure?

thanks
It depends what you want from the bike , electronic suspension is genius if you got a pillion or not just click of a button. Adventure r is also good at road but not as good as adventure standard . Both bikes are very nimble but the adventure can actually corners better flicks better and on speed it's stable .
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:15 AM   #5
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19" tires have more rubber on the road when leaning . . . Compared to 21"

I tried 21" street tires on my 950A in the tight curves . . . I was all the way to edge of the tire . . . Went to a 19" and had extra rubber to spare:



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Old 08-01-2013, 11:23 AM   #6
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Great info !

I hate choosing which model to buy
cant they make one model


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19" tires have more rubber on the road when leaning . . . Compared to 21"

I tried 21" street tires on my 950A in the tight curves . . . I was all the way to edge of the tire . . . Went to a 19" and had extra rubber to spare:



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Old 08-01-2013, 11:25 AM   #7
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As a former R owner...

Although I haven't ridden the 1190 yet but plan to for giggles...I did just sell my 990R last fall and kept my SE. I imagine KTM has addressed and fixed all their dirty little secrets in the new 1190 line up. Steering/Chassis geometry was a big issue for me...speed wobbles, tire rolling, maintenance headaches etc. These bikes are fantastic to ride on road if you address the steering geometry. Knowing & understanding rack/trail/offsets are a must with these machines. Getting to know your suspension and setting it properly requires a lot time, effort and money. My SE suffers from the same issues but boy she's much easier to work on and set up.

I found the R with the taller suspension & gas tank weight creates a pendulum effect up top when the weight starts to unsettle itself in the loose stuff. When KTM quickly chopped the suspensions from 265mm down to 210mm with their adventure line they knew the R/adventures were mad bucking bronco's.

I'm not trying to bash the older adventure line but I think it's important to understand you may need to spend a lot of coin on suspension work & steering assembles to make the R a stable beast over 100km...as for dirt I will stick with my trials bike or sub 500cc.

It's easy to find glowing reviews on these bikes but I thought you should know the older 990 line has a real dark side that demands $$$$ if you want to live in harmony with it....and you better like wrenching.

I really wanted to love my 990 but the SE said it had to go.

Do I sound bitter?
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:30 AM   #8
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Choices

If you already have a capable roadbike, I will buy the R. The 21 inch front wheel is not as stable and make the bike weave a little at high speeds, but is great in dirt and can take knobbies which the Adventure cannot. Having said that, you can still cruise at 160 km/h with the R without any problems.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:32 AM   #9
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If you already have a capable roadbike, I will buy the R. The 21 inch front wheel is not as stable and make the bike weave a little at high speeds, but is great in dirt and can take knobbies which the Adventure cannot. Having said that, you can still cruise at 160 km/h with the R without any problems.
IS that what you did ?
I notice you have a BMW KTL 1600
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:28 PM   #10
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Great info !

I hate choosing which model to buy
cant they make one model
Buy the "R" and get a second set of 19" X 17" wheels if needed:

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Old 08-01-2013, 01:44 PM   #11
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Buy the "R" and get a second set of 19" X 17" wheels if needed:

Will the electronics on the R work with the smaller wheels? Can they be easily bolted on without spacer/width/chain length problems? If so, I will definitely buy a second set of wheels for my R.

For me, the choice was either the R or an LC GS. The standard Adv doesn't differentiate itself enough from a GS, which I very nearly bought because they are so good. They can't however go off road as well as the R.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:59 PM   #12
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I'm with CanningOz on this.

Test rode the new GS and the std Adventure. Of those I preferred the GS.

However I wanted more offroad ability than either of them were capable of, and bought the R.
Am loving it. For the type of riding I like to do it is the best setup.

Will wait for CanningOz to test the std wheels. If they work, I might buy some too
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Old 08-02-2013, 04:38 PM   #13
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Will the electronics on the R work with the smaller wheels? Can they be easily bolted on without spacer/width/chain length problems? If so, I will definitely buy a second set of wheels for my R.

For me, the choice was either the R or an LC GS. The standard Adv doesn't differentiate itself enough from a GS, which I very nearly bought because they are so good. They can't however go off road as well as the R.
The Speedo is normally 6% optimistic with a 21" wheel setting. A 19" wheel w/21" setting should correct the optimsm. The Odometer will read approx. 6% less than actual.

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Woops: "but will all the electro traction control abs etc work going from 21 18 to 19 17 with the one inch difference"

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Old 08-02-2013, 05:00 PM   #14
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The Speedo is normally 6% optimistic with a 21" wheel setting. A 19" wheel w/21" setting should correct the optimsm. The Odometer will read approx. 6% less than actual.
but will all the electro traction control abs etc work going from 21 18 to 19 17 with the one inch difference
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Old 08-03-2013, 10:44 PM   #15
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The Speedo is normally 6% optimistic with a 21" wheel setting. A 19" wheel w/21" setting should correct the optimsm. The Odometer will read approx. 6% less than actual.

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Woops: "but will all the electro traction control abs etc work going from 21 18 to 19 17 with the one inch difference"

Good point
1) A 19 wheel with 21 setting will make speedo even more optimistic, simply because for a given actual speed, a 19 wheel will rotate faster than a 21. To correct the speedo optimism, you need a 21 wheel on a 19 speedo setting.

2) Usually ABS TC etc work by rate of change of wheel speed and not by actual wheel speed, so it shouldn't be a problem.
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