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Old 08-03-2013, 07:46 PM   #31
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Thanks for posting the article...

Hard to image a current moto mag publishing an article of this detail...

...including equations!?!

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Old 08-03-2013, 10:03 PM   #32
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I had (or may still have) a Vincent Black Shadow.......owner's manual. What they assumed a typical owner knew about turning a wrench is, compared with today, rather astounding.
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:01 AM   #33
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Perhaps if we look at comparable production 4 wheeled vehicles in 1925 [1st yr of JAP powered Brough Superior SS100 production] , most were 50% slower than a standard SS100, only competition vehicles could match the Brough. Consider also the average posted speed limit in England in 1925 was 35mph, that you could buy a vehicle capable of 3 times the national limit.

The machine was simply unbelievable when presented at trade shows. And, at least 10 yrs before Vincent HRD rose to performance prominence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brough_Superior_SS100

Without question, the first superbike.

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Old 08-06-2013, 12:59 AM   #34
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that Jay Leno really knows his old bikes and cars!!!
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:33 AM   #35
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The Brough Superior SS100, powered by J.A.P. or Matchless 1000 cc overhead valve V-twin engines. Approximately 383 were manufactured from 1924 to 1940 was the first super bike.
  • 1922, George Brough, First Sidevalve Motorcycle to lap Brooklands at 100 mph (160 km/h).
  • 1927, 11 June: R. E. Thomas, 2½ Miles Sprint for Unlimited Capacity Solo Machines, Cefn Sidan Speed Trials. 1st place.1
  • 1927, 11 June: R. E. Thomas, 10 Miles for Unlimited Solo machines, Cefn Sidan Speed Trials. 1st place.1
  • 1927, 11 September: R. E. Thomas, 2½ Miles Sprint for Unlimited Capacity Solo Machines, Cefn Sidan Speed Trials. 1st place.1
  • 1927, 11 September: R. E. Thomas, 10 Miles Unlimited Race for Solo Machines,Cefn sidan Speed Trials. 1st place.1
  • 1927, 11 September: R. E. Thomas, 25 Miles Race for Unlimited Solo Machines, Cefn sidan Speed Trials. 1st place.1
  • 1927, 11 September: R. E. Thomas, 50 Miles Race for Unlimited Solo Machines, Cefn sidan Speed Trials. 1st place.1
  • 1928: George Brough, one mile (1.6 km) sprint, Pendine Sands. 1st place.1
  • 1928: R. E. Thomas, one mile (1.6 km) sprint, .Pendine Sands 2nd place.1
  • 1931: J.H. Carr, 50 Miles Any Power Solo, Pendine Sands. 1st place.1
  • 1931: J.H. Carr, 100 Miles Any Power Solo, Pendine Sands. 1st place.1
  • 1935: Eric Fernihough, Pendine Sandsmotor-cycle lap record for all classes, 123.58 mph (198.88 km/h).2
  • 1936: Eric Fernihough, motorcycle land speed record for the mile. 163.82 mph (263.64 km/h).2
  • 1937: Eric Fernihough,motorcycle land speed record for the flying kilometre. 169.8 mph (273.3 km/h).2
  • 1937: Eric Fernihough, Sidecar motorcycle land speed record for the flying kilometre. 137 mph (220 km/h).2
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:50 AM   #36
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In 1923, Red Wolverton set a record of 129.61 mph on a 4 cylinder Ace motorcycle. Indian later bought the Ace company and marketed them as Indian 4s.

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Old 08-06-2013, 01:07 PM   #37
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:25 AM   #39
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To me there were no superbikes until there was a class of production racing introduced by the AMA called "Superbike".
You think the term didn't exist before it was used by the AMA ?
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Brough. But there were others, too.

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Vincent Black Lightning:
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:43 PM   #41
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To me there were no superbikes until there was a class of production racing introduced by the AMA called "Superbike". The first Superbike champion was Reg Pridmore and he won aboard a BMW R90 boxer in 1976. The next championship winning machine was a Ducati 750SS called the 'California Hot Rod'.


Certainly a worthy argument. If we take that argument to world level, the first motorcycle to win the FIM World Superbike championship was the Honda RC30. The first two years of WSB actually.
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Old 08-11-2013, 06:58 PM   #42
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Since I was riding at the time and devouring every car & motorcycle magazine from '68 on, I recall that the Norton Commando was the first bike mentioned as a superbike.
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Certainly a worthy argument. If we take that argument to world level, the first motorcycle to win the FIM World Superbike championship was the Honda RC30. The first two years of WSB actually.
ya but Honda VFR750R, 'RC30', was a fully faired racing motorcycle created for homologation purposes for the World Superbike Championship ...

whereas R90S was a production bike sold to the masses. LOTS of other super fast bikes that way proceeded R90S. Vincent Black lightning comes to mind .. produced from 1948 to 1952. At the time the Black Lightning was the fastest production motorcycle in the world

But R90S was the first production bike that put it all together. wind tunnel tested fairing, high output engine, excellent handling, dual disc brakes, etc. one major drawback was costs.. BMW R90S was one of the most expensive motorcycle at the time.

R90S certainly has a valid claim as the first Superbike. it spawn off a new generation of sport bikes, all with wind tunnel tested fairing, high output engine, excellent handling, dual disc brakes, etc.

1948 Rollie Free on the first Black Lightning 150.313 mph



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ya but Honda VFR750R, 'RC30', was a fully faired racing motorcycle created for homologation purposes for the World Superbike Championship ...

whereas R90S was a production bike sold to the masses. LOTS of other super fast bikes that way proceeded R90S. Vincent Black lightning comes to mind .. produced from 1948 to 1952. At the time the Black Lightning was the fastest production motorcycle in the world

But R90S was the first production bike that put it all together. wind tunnel tested fairing, high output engine, excellent handling, dual disc brakes, etc. one major drawback was costs.. BMW R90S was one of the most expensive motorcycle at the time.

R90S certainly has a valid claim as the first Superbike. it spawn off a new generation of sport bikes, all with wind tunnel tested fairing, high output engine, excellent handling, dual disc brakes, etc.

1948 Rollie Free on the first Black Lightning 150.313 mph



There's no denying the Honda was a full faired motorcycle. However, probably irrevilant in this conversation. Indeed it was a homoligation machine built in limited numbers [around 3600 machines in total produced over 4 years]. I know a guy who had to prove limited production status to get cheap insurance on his R90S [1500 units or less per year] and this is the case for R90S's. So, 3600 vs 4800 machines,,,,,,,we're cutting it close here.

I still go back to my original thoughts that the Brough SS100 is THE first.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:58 AM   #45
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Thanks for posting this and the article, my brother had a 69' BSA Rocket III and of course always told me it was the first superbike. Now I see there is some "proof"!
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