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Old 08-16-2013, 04:27 PM   #46
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But here is the million dollar question that no one has asked me. What bike has the best forks, Super Ten or KToomer. Answer: Super Ten - noticeably better.
Having owned an'05 "KToomer" ADV and a '12 Super Ten, I find that a bit surprising. Maybe it's the weight difference or maybe KTM is scrimping on their suspension these days, but I'd have to give the Katoom the edge on suspension.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:45 PM   #47
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But here is the million dollar question that no one has asked me. What bike has the best forks, Super Ten or KToomer. Answer: Super Ten - noticeably better.
You are making or hard to decided between these two after saying that.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:49 PM   #48
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But here is the million dollar question that no one has asked me. What bike has the best forks, Super Ten or KToomer. Answer: Super Ten - noticeably better.


Any particular reason for uttering such blasphemy?
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Old 08-17-2013, 02:55 PM   #49
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You are making or hard to decided between these two after saying that.
Forks better only when going real hard.

KTM better bike. For myriad of reasons.
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:00 PM   #50
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But here is the million dollar question that no one has asked me. What bike has the best forks, Super Ten or KToomer. Answer: Super Ten - noticeably better.


Any particular reason for uttering such blasphemy?
Just popped out. Like a fart in church.

1190 still a far better bike, but it had to be said.
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Old 08-17-2013, 03:02 PM   #51
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[QUOTE=mcmann;22118553]I see you gave the ST a crash test:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLwA2p...eature=related

It looks like the ST is not a back country bike like the 950A/990R . . . Too heavy and too low . . . Bottoms out over the rough stuff:

I was impressed by the Super Ten. Certainly shook the Beemer up. But it's like Lord of the Flies. KTM have come along and stole, no, earned the first prize.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:45 PM   #52
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Thanks for the review, edog!

Glad to hear that you felt the ABS was effective in Enduro mode.
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Old 08-18-2013, 06:39 AM   #53
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Thanks for the review edog

I'm curious how you think the regular 1190 would have done. Maybe have bottomed a couple of times, but maybe the electronic adjustments might have helped (I don't know if there is a difference in the mechanical bits between the suspension pieces).

I (and I suspect many others) really would like to see the standard and R models in the same test. I'll speculate that they're a lot closer than people might think (especially all the folks who feel they absolutely need the tall suspenders, as they are always quick to mention ). I know talented people can, but I'd like what the difference in the bikes really is.

I had a 2004 950S and now have a 990 Dakar, and have very rarely have needed the extra travel (just meant I had to go a little slower or pick my lines better). Otoh, no factory has recently offered me a ride , so I'm probably not the best judge of of the differences. But with all the great action videos I've seen posted with the 9X0's over the years I only recall a small number of them where I thought "hmm, the S (or R) is probably worth it there.

Now that I think about it, I can't ever recall seeing a head to head test between the S/R and regular versions over the same sets of terrain. The "other" is always referred to when one of them is being tested.

Just seems to make it a fantastic opportunity for some magazine or web publication to really do something unique (hard to do these days) and establish the benchmark for "eh, not that different" or "wow, what a difference", and get a real discussion going.
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Old 08-18-2013, 06:49 AM   #54
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There is a comparison test 1190 v 1190R on youtube but unfortunately only in German.

here for you German speakers

http://youtu.be/Kt4Mw1v2c4U

The road 1190 would be ideal for my needs, unfortunately the color choice means that it is going to be the R for me.
After my Multi I am quite happy also not to have the electronic suspension package.
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Old 08-18-2013, 07:04 AM   #55
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I'm curious how you think the regular 1190 would have done. Maybe have bottomed a couple of times, but maybe the electronic adjustments might have helped (I don't know if there is a difference in the mechanical bits between the suspension pieces).
According to their Facebook page, they're testing the non-R right now and a video review will follow.
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:42 AM   #56
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According to their Facebook page, they're testing the non-R right now and a video review will follow.

That's my point-- for some reason magazines/web testers just won't test them together to provide a more meaningful report. We know the brochures say the regular is more road biased and the R is more off-road biased. But how much both ways is what inquiring minds want to know.
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:48 AM   #57
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There is a comparison test 1190 v 1190R on youtube but unfortunately only in German...

Didn't seem like much of a comparison (lots of parked side by side stuff), and it looked like two different off road segments. Maybe the words were more illuminating???
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Old 08-18-2013, 10:55 AM   #58
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That's my point-- for some reason magazines/web testers just won't test them together to provide a more meaningful report. We know the brochures say the regular is more road biased and the R is more off-road biased. But how much both ways is what inquiring minds want to know.
I would like to know too. And I think they may not be that far, too. While I'm not in the market for one of them (not yet at least) what really concerns me about the standard 1190 is the tire choice availability, and that's where the R has a real avantage, you can go from full knoby to almost slick rubber and lots of option in between specially for the front 90/90/21
I would love to see the MT90 Scorp in 1190 standard wheel sizes but I guess that's not going to happen
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Old 08-18-2013, 01:44 PM   #59
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That's my point-- for some reason magazines/web testers just won't test them together to provide a more meaningful report. We know the brochures say the regular is more road biased and the R is more off-road biased. But how much both ways is what inquiring minds want to know.
I could only film one bike at a time. However the Adventure (road version) test will focus on finding out its dirt credentials. The road for me is not that relevant and anyone can go for a test ride on them on the road. It is what they bring to gravel and trails that is the important thing.
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Old 08-18-2013, 05:42 PM   #60
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I'm too am looking forward to the review of the standard!

Great stuff edog
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