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Old 08-12-2013, 12:55 PM   #76
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I can't say I have been tailgated after passing....I have been drag raced....I don't get that either....

The other day I was on a 2 lane road 50 mph speed limit....come up on a line of about 4 cars behind and antique car....he was doing maybe 40 MPH....when the road straighted out he pulled over but didn't stop to let people pass...I went around and was probably doing 55-60 to get around him because the passing zone was ending. and traffic was coming the other way. Luckily I was paying attention because the pickup infront of me got on the binders hard. You could smell burning brake pads. The whole group was now down to 35mph.....there as an old guy driving a brand new Mustang convertible GT put puting along...he kept the entire line of cars behind till we entered the next town and then he pulled over......every single driver either flicked him off or yelled at him...it was kinda funny....what a douche nozzle...

Oh and the antique car caught up to the pack
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:57 PM   #77
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Its human nature,some part of each human doesnt want to be beat.

Like a race they dont even know they're in.

String of cars mosying along up a slightly curvy road,car drivers cant do corners so they have to go slow,corners take skill and attention so they are flat out of luck.

Then there's a passing lane and the whole pack of them starts doing crazy shit to stay at the front or at least gas it hard.
1st,2nd,3rd,4th place,all think they're going to the front.

Its best to give em half a beat on a bike before passing them all,sometimes the slowest becomes the fastest and veers wildly to go where they want.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:06 PM   #78
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For the situation you outlined the only real solution is to ensure that you can make a clean pass without telegraphing your intentions, hang back a little, downshift, and get the hell around them and leave them a distance behind. Don't hang around to see how they feel about being passed. If you don't have the room or skills to pull this off safely, hang back and enjoy the ride at a slower pace; or do as mentioned above and pull over and take a 10 minute break.


I'll tell you, I've taken the hang back and enjoy the ride approach, gut feeling, only to pass a radar set up right about where I would've been well above the limit! To me, this approach is a mental challenge too-call it a Zen exercise : rather than ruminate about being slowed down, drop the ego and go with the flow. It works, for a few miles.

The scenarios which prompted me to post are nothing new to me, but with light to no traffic at that time, it got me to thinking about it more- mostly because I was in the mood to just putt around that evening.

The one car was well below the posted 45 at @ 25mph, on a straightaway; when I passed from a couple car lengths back my speed was around 55 when resuming the lane and had not yet slowed when I noticed the aforementioned vehicle was now 1/2 car length back-that's not pacing, it's intentional. Alarming when there are only two of you on the road, especially at night.



And thank you all for getting this back on track.
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Old 08-12-2013, 02:35 PM   #79
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The going "gansta" theme has some credibility I think. White culture often has appropriated black culture (see, for example R&B - soul morph into rock n' roll) and rap filter into white culture, then "gangsta rap". This wouldn't have happened at the level it had without the stunning influence of the media & internet, which is much more prevalent these days than in the 50's. Perhaps people have morphed into the "bad ass" culture by such repeated and widespread exposure. Then they are ensconced in their safety zone of a car, minding their own business, and feel they've been "disrespected" (with a pass or whatever) then somehow feel the need to strut their feeble identities.
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Old 08-12-2013, 04:06 PM   #80
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I've had a few of these in the recent weeks:
  • Woman flipped "da bird" at me while I made a nice quiet pass on a two lane, on my BMW, passing at maybe 62 mph in a 55. Wait, maybe a 43 year old, overweight, beat up Chevy Cavalier driver is actually an ADV Rider fan!
  • Woman in the left lane leisurely plodding along at 1-mph faster (maybe) than the two semis she didn't want to sit behind. She too, flipped me the bird because I was somewhat crowding her to get the hell moving as my exit was coming up! Another ADV fan?
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Old 08-12-2013, 04:42 PM   #81
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Like others have said, the strategy that works best for me is to pass as quickly as you can and put some distance between your rear tire and the passed car. If you get far enough away, they tend not to latch on to you. I have happened across a few shitwhistle aggressive drivers who either can't stand to be passed or maybe are in the mood to race. With these, either pin the throttle and leave no room for doubt (if on a fast bike) or just let them go on their shitwhistle way and drop back or turn onto a different road. It's really not worth fighting about, especially when the other person is bringing a big steel blunt instrument weighing a few thousand pounds to the fight.

Most of the time, it takes two to road rage.
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This one. Works for me too.
Either get up and over fast or just drop back, take another path.
Keep the smile as the top priority.

And that last remark is gold.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:27 AM   #82
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People do odd and unpredictable things....

The other day I made a clean pass on a small SUV.....long straight passing zone no on coming traffic....accelerated and began the pass....when I was beside the SUV he dove to shoulder like I was in his lane when I clearly was in the middle of the oncoming lane.....I guess I startled him. Maybe I should have had loud pipes..
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:01 AM   #83
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I'm convinced that many people who live and work in urban areas have no idea how to execute a safe pass on a 2 lane country road. It's just not necessary in town.

As a result, they tend to think that anyone who does pass is reckless or crazy. They're content to remain behind someone who's driving 10 mph under the speed limit and resent anyone who does what they are afraid to do. I see this every Sunday.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:27 AM   #84
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The most fun of all was to get a Road Buddy up to about 75mph, then stomp the brakes hard. I'd swear you could hear the coma shatter as their spirit guide disappeared rearward in a squealing cloud of tire smoke.
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:43 AM   #85
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I'm convinced that many people who live and work in urban areas have no idea how to execute a safe pass on a 2 lane country road. It's just not necessary in town.

As a result, they tend to think that anyone who does pass is reckless or crazy. They're content to remain behind someone who's driving 10 mph under the speed limit and resent anyone who does what they are afraid to do. I see this every Sunday.
I see this all the time here in MI, especially on summer weekends on the 2-lanes up north. Everyone from the city drives up to spend the weekend on the lake but none of them know how to drive out in the country. Passing in the oncoming lane is scary and dangerous to them and those who do pass are reckless ne'er-do-wells who deserve their ire.
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Old 08-13-2013, 12:49 PM   #86
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I see this all the time here in MI, especially on summer weekends on the 2-lanes up north. Everyone from the city drives up to spend the weekend on the lake but none of them know how to drive out in the country. Passing in the oncoming lane is scary and dangerous to them and those who do pass are reckless ne'er-do-wells who deserve their ire.
I meet friends for breakfast on Sundays out past Stockbridge and spend a lot of time on North Territorial Rd. Lots of slow vehicles and fun if you enjoy doing the passing thing. Recently, I set up and passed someone in a big diesel dually pulling a flatbed trailer with a huge old pre-WWI tractor on it, and the guy actually flipped me off on the way by.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:25 PM   #87
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I'm more annoyed when someone comes up behind me at a faster speed, gets in front, then slows down. I don't give them a second chance to get around me if they do that.

Don't assume most people do these things on purpose if you can blame it on being unaware - clueless drivers.
That's only slightly more annoying than the drivers that come up on me 10-15 mph faster than I'm going, get right on my tail and stay there. Happens most often on I-70 and for the life of me I don't know why they don't just pass me and resume the prior speed!!! I'll speed up, they stay with me, slow down to 40-50 mph, they stay right there. It's happened far too often to be a fluke. WTF?
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:57 PM   #88
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In the last couple of years, I have made an effort to use the turn signals while passing on country roads. It seems kind of silly, because it is obvious what I am doing, but it results in less anger. Maybe they think I am old fashioned (hence older) and therefore don't get mad at me. I do ride a big supermoto looking bike, though, so I don't know if that is it.

I signal the lane change into the oncoming lane as I build speed, then slow a bit as I pass the driver's side window so I'm only doing 5-10 mph more than them (also makes for quieter exhaust), then signal to return to their lane once I have a few car lengths of space. Obviously, the slow passing technique can only be done when there is plenty of space.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:17 PM   #89
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Went for an evening ride last night, rural area w/ light traffic, nice warm night-why not? Time to smell the roses and enjoy the passing scenery-a joy ride.


I had a detailed write up of the ride but have decided for the TL/DR version instead.

Lately, I notice people don't like to be passed. Two separate instances last night I passed, in a leisurely manner*, cars traveling well below posted limits of 35-55 in designated passing zones; both times cars accelerate and get on my ass.

*To define leisurely: beginning 2+ car lengths back, moderate acceleration on an Airhead, resume lane 2+ car lengths ahead.

In fairness, I've certainly noticed this trend while driving as well- motorist tootling along is passed, seemingly takes offense and now tailgates.

What's the deal here? How do you handle it, esp on a bike?

Generally, I'll just hit the throttle and go, conditions permitting; but what if they don't?
I think it's the "Don't you know who I am?" mentality. It's this ridiculous thought that we (them) are too important to disregard. It's more generically societal than specific to byways.

If the alleged 'tool' is really offensive then I point at them, then mime drinking a 'beverage' and then mime that I would call the police if they continue acting as a "tool".

This saved a friend of mine when he was being tailgated by a four-by driver. I saw the driver back off when I threatened to make a phone call. It's worked for me when I was solo, too. Point at the idiot and pretend to drink a beer and then pretend to make a call; all while looking at them eye-to-eye. It works for me.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:17 PM   #90
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I too have been making it a point to signal.

For a while I was using hand signals-lazy. Plus, I began to think about burnishing the electrical contacts on the older bikes.

Signalling, w/ the directionals, does somehow seem less aggressive and more assertive.

'Cuz, you know, we don't want anyone to feel disrespected...
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