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Old 03-16-2014, 09:07 AM   #1
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What Big Dirt Thumper Am I Describing?

Hey guys. Been mulling this over in my mind for a while now and am curious if any of you may know of a bike I may be missing.
Pretty simple really. I'd like a bike with an old school type powerplant, you know, the kind that makes buckets of torque right off idle with a heavy flywheel and doesn't have to spin 10,000 RPM to make power. Kind of like an XR650L or DR650 but with some power enhancers added.
I'd like this engine in a somewhat "modern" (let's say early 2000s and up) frame with matching suspension. Around 270 lbs ready to ride.

Is there any dirt bike out there I've missed that fit this description?

I have owned XR650Rs, YZ426, WR450, Husaberg FE650 and 550 but no Husky 610s--maybe that's the one I'm looking for?

I mainly ride tight and not so tight woods but love the style of power of the old school big thumpers like the XR600 and TT600.

Anyone else feel this way?

There's probably other threads like this but I failed to search out any.

Thanks.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:24 AM   #2
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The FE650 sounds like what you are talking about to me? The 610 is right there with it, but the FE was lighter. But when you say "oldschool type powerplant" I start thinking aircooled. Bikes like the ATK605 pop into my mind then. CCM also made a bike that had modern suspension and a DR650 powerplant called the "644" (it looked almost like one of the KTM LC4 bikes of that era, just with a DR engine.)
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:35 AM   #3
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Sounds like you are describing a KTM 525, or a KTM 450 turned into a 540. From what I understand, the current 500 lacks some of the down low torque. But these are water cooled, if that matters, and require frequent maintenance.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:38 AM   #4
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The FE650 sounds like what you are talking about to me? The 610 is right there with it, but the FE was lighter. But when you say "oldschool type powerplant" I start thinking aircooled. Bikes like the ATK605 pop into my mind then. CCM also made a bike that had modern suspension and a DR650 powerplant called the "644" (it looked almost like one of the KTM LC4 bikes of that era, just with a DR engine.)
No doubt the FE650 was probably the most awesome dirt bike I've ever owned but it was still a little too light flywheeled for my taste. And, it was a little more maintenance intensive than I liked but it was as reliable as anything I've owned and not once ever let me down.

The ATK 605 is interesting however I don't believe it's any lighter than my XR600.

Also when I say "old school" I mean the power delivery. Air or liquid cooled doesn't matter--although it seems I prefer air judging from my sig.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:39 AM   #5
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270lbs and old school?

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Around 270 lbs ready to ride.
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That right there is a non-starter. 270lbs & old school do not go hand in hand unless your looking at 400cc's or less. XR400, DR350, KLR250, XT250 are what come to mind as old school sub 300lb'ers.

The XR400 if you can get it plated is a great woods bike.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:42 AM   #6
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Sounds like you are describing a KTM 525, or a KTM 450 turned into a 540. From what I understand, the current 500 lacks some of the down low torque. But these are water cooled, if that matters, and require frequent maintenance.
I rode a buddies 520EXC and it reminded me of my old FE550--only not as powerful.
I'd like to try a 525 sometime.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:43 AM   #7
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Also when I say "old school" I mean the power delivery. Air or liquid cooled doesn't matter
Oh, that's easy then! Like boatpuller said, 2007 or older KTM RFS, the bigger the better!
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That right there is a non-starter. 270lbs & old school do not go hand in hand unless your looking at 400cc's or less. XR400, DR350, KLR250, XT250 are what come to mind as old school sub 300lb'ers.

The XR400 if you can get it plated is a great woods bike.
When I say "old school" I'm just referring to the heavy flywheel power delivery, not the heavy, overbuilt engine itself.

I had an XR400 for a short time but I didn't get along with it for some reason--which is strange because I've gotten along with every other XR I've ever ridden. Maybe it was just that particular bike--it hadn't been taken care of very well.
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The old RFS KTMs are nice. My buddy just got an old 400 and it is a sweet technical trail riding bike. It does not have overwhelming power, but it has "good" usable non tiring get it done power
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:27 AM   #10
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the xr400 if you can get it plated is a great woods bike.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:37 AM   #11
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I rode a buddies 520EXC and it reminded me of my old FE550--only not as powerful.
I'd like to try a 525 sometime.
I just picked up an 06 525 and got it plated,its what your looking for.

Its all low end thump.
screw/locknut valve adj/simple engine to work on,it is a blast and they arent all that pricey to get if you look around. The 530's unfortunately have not become as popular,the 500's are too damned expensive and dont make the Thump off idle like a 525.
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:38 AM   #12
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When I say "old school" I'm just referring to the heavy flywheel power delivery, not the heavy, overbuilt engine itself.

I had an XR400 for a short time but I didn't get along with it for some reason--which is strange because I've gotten along with every other XR I've ever ridden. Maybe it was just that particular bike--it hadn't been taken care of very well.
The 400's are too slow,and too heavy for what they do. And they can get hot and flat refuse to start at times,who wants to kick a clunker when so many bikes have buttons now?
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:24 PM   #13
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Got torque?

If you want flywheel, how about 28 pounds of flywheel?
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For somewhat less money, you might check out the new Beta 520. According to a Motorcycle.com comparison, it has significantly more grunt off idle than the KTM 500 EXC. And it weighs 277 lbs with a full tank of gas.



http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...vs-ktm-500-exc

http://www.americanbeta.com/node/1693#
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:16 PM   #14
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Im sure the Betas are nice,I think the OP is not looking to spend 10+ grand to get an old school thumper.
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Any of the 5XX KTMs with a 570 or +600cc BB. Done.
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