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Old 03-13-2008, 07:12 AM   #1
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3 day loop near Phoenix Flagstaff on rental?

Will be in Phoenix and then Flagstaff area end of March. Not enough time to trailer or ride bike out, so I'm considering renting a vstrom for a 2-3 day loop.

Would be a rental and with wife on pillion, so I'd like to keep it dirty but sane.

Camping or B&B mixed in would be nice.

Suggestions on where to go?

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Old 03-13-2008, 08:57 AM   #2
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Az loop to Flagstaff

I give these ideas with the knowledge that snow will fall this weekend, and can at anytime up here at 7000'. I have done this loop the first weekend in April and got caught in 9" of new snow in the Greer area, and took 180 into New Mexico to wait until plows cleaned 191(666) to return to Greer.
This is also a 4 day trip, but you could stay at Grand Canyon instead of Flagstaff or cut the GCN part???
Phoenix
Safford (hwy.60/70)
Alpine (191)
Pinetop (260) miles 340

Payson (260)
Flagstaff (FH 3 or 487? now) miles 225

Wupatki Nat Park
Cameron (89)
Grand Canyon N P (64)
Flagstaff (180) miles 200

Sedona (89)
Prescott
Wickenburg
Phoenix (via 74) miles 220

These are great roads and a blast on a bike. Much above 4000' to 9000' hence the snow warning.
Annother option is Globe to Pinetop and skip 191(550 switchbacks in 100 miles)
Hope this gives you some ideas.
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Old 03-13-2008, 09:03 AM   #3
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I give these ideas with the knowledge that snow will fall this weekend, and can at anytime up here at 7000'. I have done this loop the first weekend in April and got caught in 9" of new snow in the Greer area, and took 180 into New Mexico to wait until plows cleaned 191(666) to return to Greer.
This is also a 4 day trip, but you could stay at Grand Canyon instead of Flagstaff or cut the GCN part???
Phoenix
Safford (hwy.60/70)
Alpine (191)
Pinetop (260) miles 340

Payson (260)
Flagstaff (FH 3 or 487? now) miles 225

Wupatki Nat Park
Cameron (89)
Grand Canyon N P (64)
Flagstaff (180) miles 200

Sedona (89)
Prescott
Wickenburg
Phoenix (via 74) miles 220

These are great roads and a blast on a bike. Much above 4000' to 9000' hence the snow warning.
Annother option is Globe to Pinetop and skip 191(550 switchbacks in 100 miles)
Hope this gives you some ideas.
Allen
Ideas I got. Thanks for putting some numbers to them I'll dig around your suggestions

More homework to be done, but any bump-starts are welcome.

Cheers!
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Old 03-13-2008, 11:28 AM   #4
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Laugh Good time to go south...

HeyMan,
good riding this time of year....
I have had a couple of nice weekends here latley and have been doing some long loops down south...from Phoenix toward tuscon or west.
There are some very nice old missions to visit Tumacacori, San Xavier del Bac, and a little community called Tubac
http://www.nps.gov/tuma/
http://www.sanxaviermission.org/
http://www.tubacaz.com/

Last weekend I ended up on this great trail, the Anza-Borrego trail that goes from Mexico, across AZ and all the way up the coast as far as Santa Barbara, this would be the route that was cut when many of these first missions were settled. Also, this same route was used by the pony express running mail from yuma to tuscon and phoenix...the Butterfield stage coach line used this as well. Great enduro, nothing to bad, some light technical places and tons of flowers. Perfect pristime desert. I did a section south of the Estrella mountains and west of phoenix ending up in Gila Bend.
Also, there are some fantastically hip routes around phoenix that are really good....up over Four Peaks and then down the famous Apache Trail, that's a full day ride for sure almost all dirt and nothing to motoX.
Let me know if youare interested and need more information.
Also, Bisbee AZ is an awesome 3.5 hour ride and lots of enduro options around that area.
enjoy! the time is right and the weather is tight right now for a good ride...
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I missed the 'keep it dirty' part!!! sorry. FYI, FS roads up here are mostly closed for the winter until they dry out. We are finally having a normal winter snow load and things are wet and muddy.
From Phoenix go to Cave Creek and north on FS 24, pickup 269 to Cordes jct and I-17. Take the Dugas road west to Orem and up to hwy 169. Now if you go towards Cherry and follow the Great Western Trail signs that take you towards Jerome, a good lunch stop, at the Haunted Hamburger. I would stick to 89A and 89 to Sedona and up to Flag. I really think the roads will still be closed for the most part and if open a mess for the strom. I am not really sure you can get thru after Cherry.
Another thought is 88, the Apache trail out of Phx to 188, then up to Young on 188, picking up 512 to the Rim rd. 260 and over to Payson. Might not make it north out of Young!
I am sorry I didn't see the dirty part of your message as I gave you an all paved routing. Now if you wanted to go south instead of Flagstaff, much is available to Tombstone, Patagonia, etc.
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I missed the 'keep it dirty' part!!! sorry. FYI, FS roads up here are mostly closed for the winter until they dry out. We are finally having a normal winter snow load and things are wet and muddy.
From Phoenix go to Cave Creek and north on FS 24, pickup 269 to Cordes jct and I-17. Take the Dugas road west to Orem and up to hwy 169. Now if you go towards Cherry and follow the Great Western Trail signs that take you towards Jerome, a good lunch stop, at the Haunted Hamburger. I would stick to 89A and 89 to Sedona and up to Flag. I really think the roads will still be closed for the most part and if open a mess for the strom. I am not really sure you can get thru after Cherry.
Another thought is 88, the Apache trail out of Phx to 188, then up to Young on 188, picking up 512 to the Rim rd. 260 and over to Payson. Might not make it north out of Young!
I am sorry I didn't see the dirty part of your message as I gave you an all paved routing. Now if you wanted to go south instead of Flagstaff, much is available to Tombstone, Patagonia, etc.
Thanks all...

Now worries on dirt part. We're not too hung up on it - just seems like a possible way to get away from crowds. We also backpack, so it was a thought that we might combine dirt w/sleeping under the stars. But with a rental, limited 2-up dirt experience, and limited time, I'm def not looking for singletrack or much snowmelt .

Only 2-up bike I can find that is allowed on dirt is the liter-strom. 1200GS's aren't even allowed on 2-lane dirt . Couldn't find anyone with a KLR to rent . for the cost of 3-4 days rental I can ship my bike one-way. Wish I had time to ride it back - it's a looong way back to Virginie.

I'll do my homework over the next week or so and then perhaps follow-up with some specific quez and wx inquiries.

Thanks again!
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:47 PM   #7
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i assume you checked with these guys on renting a KLR?
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Old 03-15-2008, 03:26 AM   #8
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i assume you checked with these guys on renting a KLR?
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Yep. They used to have one. Got rid of it for some reason. For dirt it's down to the Strom...
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:18 AM   #9
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how about these guys?

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Old 03-15-2008, 01:47 PM   #10
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how about these guys?

http://www.azride.com/default.asp
Nothing you can 2-up dirty. R1200GS's but they aren't allowed to play in the dirt .

Hard to believe someone hasn't bought a pair of old KLR's and set them up for off-road rentals. Seems like they'd pay for themselves in little time. What do I know...
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So you're sayin' they have in their contract or policies that you can't ride them on dirt roads?

I think I've found a business opportunity here!
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Old 03-16-2008, 04:10 AM   #12
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So you're sayin' they have in their contract or policies that you can't ride them on dirt roads?

I think I've found a business opportunity here!
Unless I misunderstood the woman I spoke with, yes - you are NOT allowed to take them offroad. I'll prob be calling back to confirm details, before I commit to any bike.

I'm not a business person, but I'd think a couple of old KLR's would be cheap to keep and easy to rent. Rentals are 2-3x what it cost to rent a car!!
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Yea, check them again. It is odd that right in their bike description they mention how much fun some of the models are in the dirt. Then they would turn around and say "no dirt roads"?

Kind of wierd...
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:41 PM   #14
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Whatever you decide to ride watch the cinders and dirt on the roads. We use cinders on the roads to help with traction instead of salt style ice removers. The residue is still on all the roads. More so on the side roads. I've started taking patients to the hospital with road rash already this season.
It was 17 degrees here in Flagstaff this morning with 25 MPH winds by afternoon. High this week is in mid fifties. Not gonna be much different in a few weeks. Just something to keep in mind for trip planning. I have my winter gloves for the morning and standard gloves for afternoon.
Any questions you can PM me.
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:05 PM   #15
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Arizona on GS!

Ok, the week's been scheduled and of course the bike days dwindled to two but my beloved encouraged me to rent a GS so who's complaining .

First week of My I pick up bike in Scottsdale an will have two full days to ride out and around. Maintained dirt is "legal" off-road is not. Rental folks recommend heading up to Sedona, which is of course beautiful, but probably packed by first week of May?

I'd be happy for some input on a nice 2day jaunt out and back from Scottsdale. If needed the night "out" could be hotel, B&B, or even a tent in the desert. We'll have gear for backpacking so that's of interest...

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