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Old 09-01-2013, 07:51 AM   #1
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D908RR vs Mefo Stonemaster vs MT21

Hi all,

I am sure this issue has been already discussed over and over...again and again.

However I would really need some advice quickly.

Today I have tried my refashioned 990 ADV S with excell rims 18x2.50 at the rear. I am currently using a Mefo Stonemaster 140. It is great off road however it is tedious on tarmac during transfers.
In the past I have tried the old Michelin Desert that was good off(after 3000 kms was still acceptable) and decent on tarmac. I also tried Pirelli MT21 on both 690 R and 950 ADV. Good off road and good control on road however very short lasting (3000 kms on 690 to finish less on the 950).

The only tyre in this category that I haven't tried is the Dunlop D908RR.

Can someone compare it with the above mentioned tyres?
What I would like to know is:
Off performance.
On performance
How long does it last on a 990.

Many thanks

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Old 09-01-2013, 11:13 AM   #2
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After washing my bike and having a close look at the rear MT21, I think I will try the Dunlop 908 next. It is a little more than twice the money, but it should last twice as long. I was running about 28psi on sharp rocky terrain, but I was riding in a group. I was careful on the throttle, as not to hurt anyone crazy enough to line up with my rear tire. Nearly all the knobs are torn at the base, and a third of the centers are torn off half way down. This was all done in a few hours of single track.
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Old 09-01-2013, 02:16 PM   #3
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I rode a 908 RR ONCE... Scared the hell outa me on the street. Off-road, good stuff. I'm trying a Kenda Big Block next after a Heiedenau that I didn't thing was much better than the Scorpion OEM. The search continues.
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Old 09-01-2013, 03:33 PM   #4
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I rode a 908 RR ONCE... Scared the hell outa me on the street. Off-road, good stuff. I'm trying a Kenda Big Block next after a Heiedenau that I didn't thing was much better than the Scorpion OEM. The search continues.
I am sure the D908RR on road can't be any worst than MT21...and I am sure better than the Mefo Stonemaster. Ultimately we are talking about off road tyres. I am not expecting on road perormance...I just just want to be comfy and not rigid like I have a pole up...

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Old 09-01-2013, 04:11 PM   #5
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I have been using a 908 for two years now.

There might be better tires out there for street or off road but for me I found a happy compromise with 908. It is on the expensive side but it does not wear as fast as other tires I tried.

I also find the 908 to be predictable in most situations unlike other tires that decide to give up and slide when least expected ...

I really like the 908 and 606 combo.
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Old 09-01-2013, 04:20 PM   #6
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I also did like the 908RR (only tried the rear), especially on desert like terrain:) However it wore out in 3-4k kms with my riding style (doing 50% off, 50% onroad with it, IMO it wears quite fast on the road)..
The 908RR rear and the Michelin Desert (old model) on the front was the best combo for me so far for desert like stuff (sand, gravel, etc..), altough I've never tried the Michelin Desert rear, and unfortunatelly they're not made any more. But if there are days when you use the bike only on the road (like I do), then IMO it's cheaper and better in the long run to buy a second set of wheels and put some more road orriented but longer lasting tires on those. Or more like save the stock rims for the onroad tires, and buy narrower rims for the offroad tires.. The 140/80-18 tires are OK. on the stock rim, but it can be seen when mounted that the tire would like a narrower rim.

edit: Okay, I've reread the original post, and see that the OP has a 2.50 rear rim. So ignore my last few sentences:)
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:33 PM   #7
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After trying most fronts and rears if I had to only choose one off road, go hard, tire it would be the 908. Longer lasting than others knobbies under same condition. Another reason is the thick, stiff carcass offers more protection, which is also great when running lower psi (15 - 25 ). I even run the 908 front sometimes for the same reason ( tough carcass ), even though a 606 or a Scorpion Rally might perform better on corners. The 908 front can be a little skitish at first but I actually like it after the first 20% get worn down.

I had tried the stonemaster before and I did like it but imho wore many times faster than a 908.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:41 PM   #8
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A tire thread......
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Old 09-01-2013, 09:07 PM   #9
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Props for the Dunlop 908's

I heard so much about the 606/ 908 combo and I bought into it... Only to toast the very good feeling 606 front in half the life of the 908 rear. First time I've ever had to replace a front before a rear! Wanted to find out what so many hate about the 908 front so I mounted one and I freakin' love it! Yes, the first hundred miles or so are awful and confusing, but when it scuffs in, it is a great tire for a heavy bike in dirt, and a very good and very predictable tire on twisty tarmac.

Now I need a new rear... but I've drank the Kool-Aid and I'm going back for more!
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:03 PM   #10
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I rode a 908 RR ONCE... Scared the hell outa me on the street. Off-road, good stuff. I'm trying a Kenda Big Block next after a Heiedenau that I didn't thing was much better than the Scorpion OEM. The search continues.
Good luck with the Big Blocks, I bought a couple of the rears when they first came out. Not a bad performing tire, however I did not get any mileage out of them and I ran them down more than I like to. Only got 1700 miles out of them. They wore so fast I felt cheated and sent Kenda an email. Their response was "we have changed the tire compound and they should wear better now". Not buying another big block to see, will stick with the 908 rear.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:00 AM   #11
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Anyone try a Mitas E-09 Dakar on a 9x0?.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:05 PM   #12
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A tire thread......

No kidding, especially when the differences are totally obvious by looking at them. 2 tires with giant knobs way apart down the middle, and one with giant knobs but almost a solid section of rubber down the middle where they spend 98% of their time. Guess what they'll all wear faster than a Scorp or K60, perform better in the dirt and worse on the slab! Rocket surgery it aint.
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Old 09-02-2013, 03:21 PM   #13
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Rocket surgery it aint.
You are spot on...I am a Surgeon...but I am not very familiar with Rocket, Dunlop 908RR and smart guys like you

Maybe you can give me some private lesson on tyres. I trust you know all about them, you have tried them all so that you can give me a gentle, sensible and constructive answer or opinion to my questions...if not you might want to use your spare time in a different way as no one forced you to read and replay to another tyre thread...

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Old 09-02-2013, 03:28 PM   #14
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...and for the benefit of the others idiots as I am...Stonemaster and MT21 behave consistently different when fitted on KTM 9x0 ADV with a 2.50 rims. In off they are similar, however the Stonemaster seems to have more grip. On road the Stonemaster has consistently less grip and it is very unstable when turning with a consistent delay compared to the front wheel. The MT21 on the other hand is more linear and stable when cornering with no delay following the front.

I am sure it is not rocket surgery (or science!), just my personal opinion after having tried them on different bikes.

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Old 09-02-2013, 03:59 PM   #15
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No kidding, especially when the differences are totally obvious by looking at them. 2 tires with giant knobs way apart down the middle, and one with giant knobs but almost a solid section of rubber down the middle where they spend 98% of their time. Guess what they'll all wear faster than a Scorp or K60, perform better in the dirt and worse on the slab! Rocket surgery it aint.
Sometimes the really highly educated in the world lack something that can't be learned in a classroom, common sense. You're right it only needs a casual look over the tyres to see the obvious differences. Go the 908RR mate!
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