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Old 09-11-2013, 12:15 PM   #46
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I'm simply pointing out that the motorcyclist made an even poorer choice of where to be a dick.




Normal engine noise yes. Some squid gunning an uncorked sport bike right next to the horse just to be a dick, NO!
Yes, totally agree, I was obviously expressing myself poorly.

I didn't intend it as a criticism of the equestrian, but rather pointing out they may have been partly to blame to a small degree, and this should not be considered an example of what one should expect when encountering a horse under normal circumstances.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:34 PM   #47
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Horses need to be trained to not shy at traffic. Mounted cops have no problems, and cavalry horses were trained to lie down on command so the trooper could take cover behind them and return rifle fire using the horse for a rifle rest.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:54 PM   #48
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Horses need to be trained to not shy at traffic. Mounted cops have no problems, and cavalry horses were trained to lie down on command so the trooper could take cover behind them and return rifle fire using the horse for a rifle rest.



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Old 09-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #49
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[QUOTE=GoUglyEarly;22269645]If this guy is indeed a repeat offender I hope you do catch him.

I will go as far as to pull over and shut down completely if I see horses coming my way...

If the critters are stopped or going my way I am on eggshells passing them. It should be common decency for all riders, regardless of horse or bike, to wince at the thought of causing another rider to fall off.

++++++1, I agree with ALL of the above, and also do the same except I have E-start, but then I was raised with and have been around horses all my life.
The street I live on used to be a dirt road and very horse friendly, since it was "improved" and paved several years ago, there have been numerous incidences just like this one, I personally know of 2 fatalities (human) and 1 horse having to be euthanized due to a broken leg. To the best of my knowledge none of the vehicle drivers have been caught or prosecuted.
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:15 PM   #50
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In my state, General Laws, Chapter 90:

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14. Precautions for safety of other travelers: Every person operating a motor vehicle shall bring the vehicle and the motor propelling it immediately to a stop when approaching a cow, horse or other draft animal being led, ridden or driven, if such animal appears to be frightened and if the person in charge thereof shall signal so to do; and, if traveling in the opposite direction to that in which such animal is proceeding, said vehicle shall remain stationary so long as may be reasonable to allow such animal to pass; or, if traveling in the same direction, the person operating shall use reasonable caution in thereafter passing such animal."
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Old 09-11-2013, 05:38 PM   #51
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I'm with Dorito on this one too. If you KNOW that your horse gets spooked by cars/bikes/motos either A. don't take it where there's a chance of encountering cars/bikes/motos or B. expect problems and be ready for them. Even if you don't KNOW your horse gets spooked, some familiarization training would be a good thing, no?

I don't agree with the moto rider in the OP's actions either.

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I don't get on board with Gummee all that often, but that was spot on.

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As for taking a questionable mount in to uncertain circumstances, the animal has to be exposed to new stimuli to become desensitized, so it's a chicken or egg kind of deal.
Seems to me there would be better ways to do this than put them and unaware and unwilling others into a potentially dangerous situation.

That said, I hope the rider recovers nicely. And the doucher gets his karma adjusted.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:37 PM   #52
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I always give the critters an easy pass if I can. Move to the opposite lane as far as I can, shift up a gear and slow down, steady throttle and I watch the horses eyes. Never had a problem. We have a lot of Amish around Wisconsin. They always wave friendly when I pass in this manner.

Everyone deserves respect, and some room. Plus it keeps motorcycling more positive.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:10 AM   #53
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Horses need to be trained to not shy at traffic. Mounted cops have no problems, and cavalry horses were trained to lie down on command so the trooper could take cover behind them and return rifle fire using the horse for a rifle rest.
Im sure that training a horse to not be skiddish is every riders dream and goal. But who knows what stage of training the horse that you are passing is at? I don't pass until I see that I have the riders attention , then steady as she goes.
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:34 AM   #54
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Im sure that training a horse to not be skittish is every riders dream and goal. But who knows what stage of training the horse that you are passing is at? I don't pass until I see that I have the riders attention , then steady as she goes.
[Klay]its skittish [/Klay]

When I'm on the bicycle and come across horses, I'll talk to the horse. Something to the effect of 'what's up, horse?' so they hear a human voice coming from the wildly colored, somewhat silent predator-shaped thing coming at them. I won't usually stop, but I'll slow down.

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Old 09-12-2013, 05:44 AM   #55
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From the description, as I read it, the motorcyclist raced towards the horses and passed within a few feet of them as he raced through the crossing.
All we have to go by is the story of the horse lady. The actual facts may be significantly different, especially considering the fact that "horse people" are some of the most spoiled, entitled, self-absorbed nitwits you will ever have the displeasure of meeting. It doesn't sound good for the motorcyclist at this point, but I'm going to reserve judgment.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:44 AM   #56
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Old 09-12-2013, 08:00 AM   #57
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In my state, General Laws, Chapter 90:14.

Precautions for safety of other travelers: Every person operating a motor vehicle shall bring the vehicle and the motor propelling it immediately to a stop when approaching a cow, horse or other draft animal being led, ridden or driven, if such animal appears to be frightened and if the person in charge thereof shall signal so to do; and, if traveling in the opposite direction to that in which such animal is proceeding, said vehicle shall remain stationary so long as may be reasonable to allow such animal to pass; or, if traveling in the same direction, the person operating shall use reasonable caution in thereafter passing such animal."
Thanks Viv. I'm sure that if most of the "entitled, self-absorbed motorcyclists" in this thread would care to look, they would find that horses have right of way in many States.

They'd all be singing a different tune if a jacked-up pickup truck had been playing chicken with a motorcycle and caused the motorcyclist to hit the ditch.

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27-51-1406 Warning by motorists to persons and animals on highway.

Upon approaching a person walking upon or along a public highway, or a horse or other draft animal being ridden, led, or driven thereon, the operator of a motor vehicle or motor bicycle shall give reasonable warning of his approach and use every reasonable precaution to avoid injuring the persons or frightening the horses or other draft animals.



27-51-1407 Stopping for frightened horses.

(a) Whenever it shall appear that any horse ridden or driven by any person upon any streets, roads, and highways is about to become frightened by the approach of any motor vehicle, it shall be the duty of the person driving or conducting the motor vehicle to cause it to come to a full stop until the horse shall have passed and, if necessary, assist in preventing an accident.

(b) Any person convicted of violating this section shall be fined in any sum not to exceed two hundred dollars ($200).
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[Klay]its skittish [/Klay]

When I'm on the bicycle and come across horses, I'll talk to the horse. Something to the effect of 'what's up, horse?' so they hear a human voice coming from the wildly colored, somewhat silent predator-shaped thing coming at them. I won't usually stop, but I'll slow down.

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Speaking is a good idea. Helps the horse realize you're just a human.

I ride multi-use trails and encounter mountain bikers. I usually initiate the conversation with the mountain bikers and hikers, because many people simply don't know what to do, or how to act around a horse.

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All we have to go by is the story of the horse lady. The actual facts may be significantly different, especially considering the fact that "horse people" are some of the most spoiled, entitled, self-absorbed nitwits you will ever have the displeasure of meeting. It doesn't sound good for the motorcyclist at this point, but I'm going to reserve judgment.
There is a police report and there are witnesses, so there is a little more than one crazy horse lady's story...
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Horses need to be trained to not shy at traffic. Mounted cops have no problems, and cavalry horses were trained to lie down on command so the trooper could take cover behind them and return rifle fire using the horse for a rifle rest.
So you suggest sending all horses to boot camp?

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All we have to go by is the story of the horse lady. The actual facts may be significantly different, especially considering the fact that "horse people" are some of the most spoiled, entitled, self-absorbed nitwits you will ever have the displeasure of meeting. It doesn't sound good for the motorcyclist at this point, but I'm going to reserve judgment.
So lets speculate about all the possible scenarios. Oh, wait...

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There is a police report and there are witnesses, so there is a little more than one crazy horse lady's story...


Just as in every other aspect of driving, people don't know the laws...even people here. I'm sure there are a lot more states with laws on the books just like Viverrid's.

I was raised riding horses and was taught at an early age to slow, stop and shut the engine off on back roads...as a common courtesy... On secondary roads, slow and proceed gently with out making sudden moves or noises. It not really that hard people.
I think what we have here is folks who have never been around horses not giving a shit about them, or the rider because its something foreign to them...just like some feel towards motorcycles.
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...what we have here is folks who have never been around horses not giving a shit about them, or the rider because its something foreign to them...just like some feel towards motorcycles.
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