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Old 09-13-2013, 06:40 PM   #16
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I had 24,000 miles on my 09' F650GS, much of it 2-up with no problems.
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:45 PM   #17
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I have never understood why BMW owners annually rank highest in ownership satisfaction and also highest in most warranty claims.
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:08 PM   #18
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I have never understood how an aftermarket windshield can result in a melted instrument panel.

But I guess it must speak volumes for BMW quality. LOL!
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:36 PM   #19
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Iv got a 08 Triumph Tiger 1050, engine blow due to bad piston rings after 5 years and 43K, it had a 2 year warranty when new.
Triumph replaced nearly everything and a new exhaust.
Got it back and the trans went out, clutch basket not fully engaging, took it back. It was a $3.36 part that failed, Triumph replaced the trans.


Total cost $5,364


My cost $0

Triumph agreed it was there fault and fixed it.

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Old 09-13-2013, 10:21 PM   #20
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A wheel bearing is a wear item at 50,000 miles, not at 12,000 miles.
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Old 09-13-2013, 10:49 PM   #21
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This sums up BMW

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You probably should have done a little research on BMW and their head in the sand approach to Customer Service before you bought the bike. Picture a team of people with their fingers stuck in their ears who spend all day mumbling "I can't hear you" and you have a pretty good idea of what your up against

Of all the brands I have ever owned, BMW is the one with the greatest delta between perceived and actual quality of engineering.
They outsource these parts to China and brand them as German engineered. The beauty of the net is its finally catching up to them.

I'm not a hater, but a premium price should yield a premium product and I've not observed that from BMW.
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:18 AM   #22
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I have never understood how an aftermarket windshield can result in a melted instrument panel.

But I guess it must speak volumes for BMW quality. LOL!

Melting instruments happen with stock shields, aftermarket shields, and shield on every single motorcycle that is equipped with a clear, curved screen from FJRs to Goldwings.


You talk complete bollocks.
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:22 AM   #23
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They outsource these parts to China and brand them as German engineered. The beauty of the net is its finally catching up to them.

I'm not a hater, but a premium price should yield a premium product and I've not observed that from BMW.

I know, it caught up to them last year and this June when they sold the most motorcycles in the history of the company and turned record profits.



The shitty thing about BMW are the very sharp accountants and lawyers. They seem to ride the line-- how much warranty work can we withstand and what is the cost/benefit of a recall or TSB.

The good part is there aren't any real competitors-- yet. And if you have one and you haven't had issues, you realise how good the bike is. If you have one and have to replace your fuel tank 3 times, you're sour on the brand.


And if you're a pillock like MikeMike, you're just doomed to KLR land.
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:24 AM   #24
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A wheel bearing is a wear item at 50,000 miles, not at 12,000 miles.

My WR450 front wheel has 9000 miles on it and needs wheel bearings.

I'm calling Yammie tonight!
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Old 09-14-2013, 12:44 AM   #25
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Some enterprising person with knowledge out to source the best bearings money can buy and post the place where we can get them and the part number. Then simply replace them before they go bad.

No matter how good a part is made, there's always going to be so many premature failures per thousand. If that failure is less than 2%-3%, it's probably within acceptable limits for a multi-million dollar corporation like BMW.

Maybe Woody would know the best bearings to replace our crappy bearings with.
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Old 09-14-2013, 05:11 AM   #26
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There have been many wheel bearing failures, but mostly with the F800GS due to improperly sized hub bores. And BMW have replaced some under good will. Call a different dealer, even if out of state and ask if any of their customers have had BMW cover premature bearing replacement. My dealer has.
What acap650 said is important ... some hub bores were undersized.
If your hub bores are not to spec. this is clearly a warranty issue as being undersized caused early failure and is likely to cause early failure AGAIN.

I think Gary mentioned that BMW had changed the spec. on the rear bearing and was now using a bearing with more "slop" in it to allow it to "accommodate a larger variation in bore size" ... (oh and also be sloppy).

All this talk of bearings makes me wonder if I should be changing out mine ... I have 35K miles, and will be pulling off rear wheel shortly for new tire. I have F658GS which apparently had no issues with bore size. Bearings have not had an real tough life .... I do give them the "finger-wave" at every tire change and they have felt fine so far........

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Old 09-14-2013, 05:52 AM   #27
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Melting instruments happen with stock shields, aftermarket shields, and shield on every single motorcycle that is equipped with a clear, curved screen from FJRs to Goldwings.


You talk complete bollocks.
You need a meal, Bobby.. It should also be something nutrious, something other than what BMW is shoveling.

I have seen a lot of aftermarket windshields on a lot of different bikes and have never seen a melted instrument panel from one and I live in the tropics where it is relatively warm all the time. Spandau relies on their sycophants for marketing.
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Old 09-14-2013, 06:23 AM   #28
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You need to go for a long ride, on whatever.

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Old 09-14-2013, 06:54 AM   #29
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You need to go for a long ride, on whatever.

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Thanks for the advice, Fred.
Like I tell people, I ride a BMW but I am not a BMW rider.
Wrap your head around that instead of your fist around a glass of Spandau kool-aid.
BMW, like the British motorcycle industry, once made good motorcycles.
I have to admit, the redesign of the F bikes was impressive.
Imagine your joy and excitement of finding your bike won't start after a night in the rain.
A true RTW bike, as long as you pack a spare fuel pump and a stator.
You have to admire the genius behind marketing a bike to people who might actually use it as shown in the advertising. And make it with a fuel filter that costs north of $800, because you can't replace it, you have to buy the whole pump assembly. And also convince the manufacturer of the filter to not sell it to the public.
The good news is that, with enterprising solutions, nobody has to be a slave to Spandau.
Unless they wannabee, Fred.
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Old 09-14-2013, 07:50 AM   #30
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