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Old 10-06-2013, 05:36 PM   #61
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I've been continuing reading on the history of Newfoundland. I found it really interesting that the island had virtually no defensive force in the beginning of the second World War, despite being in an exceptionally strategic location. Canada, the US, and Great Britain jumped to put all kinds of bases for both naval and air operations. I suppose the island learned its lesson after Beaumont Hamel, and didn't want to repeat it.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:01 PM   #62
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During the run up to the war the Brits needed warships and the Americans needed bases to join the effort. We had no say in the decisions. The Atlantic Charter was signed and with it came a change in prosperity because there were jobs and money where there were none before.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:19 PM   #63
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Damn, Murph, you've got a good mind. I was shocked, however, to find Newfoundland defenseless at the crux.

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Old 10-06-2013, 08:30 PM   #64
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It did not help the 4 ore boats off Bell Island. Torpedoed in 1942.
Or the SS Caribou, the ferry that was sent to the bottom just 20 miles south of Port au Basque in 1942 by a U boat.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:26 AM   #65
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The Atlantic Charter. . . A side trip well worth it if you are at the Argentia ferry. Take a run north to Fox hbr and Ship Harbour, just turn left at Dunville.
A gravel road takes you through some beaut woods to the monument where Roosevelt and Churchill signed offshore on a warship. I've been going over since 1973 on bikes and never saw it until last year. Well worth the short trip.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:35 AM   #66
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We did that ride, Tree. It's a beautiful road with great scenery. That's the thing about Newfoundland, it's all good!


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The Atlantic Charter. . . A side trip well worth it if you are at the Argentia ferry. Take a run north to Fox hbr and Ship Harbour, just turn left at Dunville.
A gravel road takes you through some beaut woods to the monument where Roosevelt and Churchill signed offshore on a warship. I've been going over since 1973 on bikes and never saw it until last year. Well worth the short trip.
Nice! Info link with Lat & Lon. http://www.nlgeotourism.com/content/...6713EFC2F9BC92
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:38 PM   #68
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Sabena Airlines Crash Site

I've got a long wilderness route planned to visit the site of the 1946 Sabena (Portugese) Airlines crash site. Here's a link to the tragedy, and the heroic efforts to rescue the survivors.

http://www.zianet.com/tmorris/ganderrescue.html
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:51 PM   #69
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Be ready to hike the last bit to the Sabena crash site. I have not been but Wolverine was there a couple of years ago. He reported the alders had grown in and there was a washout on the last hill. IIRC
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:05 PM   #70
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Where the Heck do You Come Up With Stuff Like This?

Thanks to sturgeon's recommendations, I ordered 10 volumes on Canadian history today. The good news is that the books cost $10, or 99 cents each for retired library hardbacks. The bad news is that they cost four times that to ship.

I came across this title in my search, which is a university text-book: A Country Nourished on Self-Doubt: Documents in Post-Confederation Canadian History.

The alternate title is: We're a bunch of shabbily dressed syrup-guzzlers in touques, but if you stop over, I've been to the Beer Store, Eh? Me and Shirly would love to see you. The door's open, but we'll be out back on the porch.

You up there need to get a handle on this. History should have titles that include words like "Glory" "Vanquish" and "Indomitable."

You need to spruce up those uniforms for the Canadian Forces. I suggest berets. They'd play well in the Francophone areas. Go invade someone. Iceland shouldn't be too hard, and they'd be happy to have you. I really think you'd get along well.

Then you can get in a hell of a domestic snit and shut the whole shooting match down while starving your senior citizens as well. It works for us down here. Hell, we make the Meech Lake affair look like a lawn party on a daily basis.

Wait. On second thought, what's the best province for immigration?
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I've got a long wilderness route planned to visit the site of the 1946 Sabena (Portugese) Airlines crash site. Here's a link to the tragedy, and the heroic efforts to rescue the survivors.

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I was in error about Sabena's nationality. Belgian, not Portugese.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:59 PM   #74
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I thought you Americans already knew all about us?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFgPX0hnNfA

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Old 10-08-2013, 07:22 PM   #75
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Of course we know aboot you and your little seedy terrorist schemes to send Canadian Special Ops over the border to steal our women and subjugate The Glorious Eagle of Freedom. Don't worry, we're all heavily armed over here and will defend ourselves against the Canuck Menace. Caught a bit of the history of 1812 the other day. It seems an army of about 12,000 went to "Upper Canada" and were repelled by 1800 Canadians, primarily because the US forces were poorly led, and got drunk on the way.

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