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Old 09-26-2013, 01:52 PM   #1
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Thumb KTM brakes vs real brakes

I have the pleasure of having a 1200 GSA and a 990ADV, lucky me!
The Orange beast has a nice gear box, a nice engine and good handling.
The blue white has a nice engine REALLY good brakes and good handling.
How do I get BMW brakes on my Orange beast, they're at least twice as good!
And I really like good brakes, you can brake later and brake more safely and the difference in stopping distance might save the day/ your life.
So, what to do?
PS orange crush is more fun than Gspot
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:09 PM   #2
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Ride it off-road. You won't notice anymore. You may even be grateful they aren't grabby.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:25 PM   #3
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Ride it off-road. You won't notice anymore. You may even be grateful they aren't grabby.
....funny you should say that, my 990 SMR had double monoblock brembo radials which were so aggressive, now with the SE she pulls up no problem and you can squeeze hard but she won't lock very easy ... kinda pour mans ABS ... I quite like to be honest.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:41 PM   #4
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You might try to put the paralever suspension on the KTM.
Seriously, I had the BMW 1200 adventure and now have a KTM1190R and in my opinion the KTM brakes are superiour and even the suspension is superior (far superior) even if I don't really like the front springs on low speed. I think the KTM brakes are a little on the "soft" side for off road purposes but the braking power is very good and very controllable from my point of view.

The difference for me lies in the paralever suspension which gives you a complete different feeling because the BMW will not dive during braking, which is very nice but didn't provide me with a good feeling about what the front tyre is doing, specially not in the wet.

If you would put the BMW brakes on the KTM my guess is you would be disappointed cause your braking would not have improved. It's just a different bike with a different feeling with the braking and it's personal what is the way you prefer. Without the paralever the BMW braking results would probably be much less.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:44 PM   #5
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I have the pleasure of having a 1200 GSA and a 990ADV, lucky me!
The Orange beast has a nice gear box, a nice engine and good handling.
The blue white has a nice engine REALLY good brakes and good handling.
How do I get BMW brakes on my Orange beast, they're at least twice as good!
And I really like good brakes, you can brake later and brake more safely and the difference in stopping distance might save the day/ your life.
So, what to do?
PS orange crush is more fun than Gspot
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #6
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I'm assuming you have the standard model with ABS not the R.
The initial braking with the abs sucks with a spongy lever feel.
I've taken the abs off of several 990A's I've owned.
The increased braking performance is substantial, plenty strong
for the 21" front tire.

You could always put a set super duke lower fork legs with radial
calipers on but I think that would be to much in the dirt.

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Old 09-26-2013, 03:24 PM   #7
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Shoot, my SE only had one brake on the front.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:09 PM   #8
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I have the pleasure of having a 1200 GSA and a 990ADV, lucky me!
The Orange beast has a nice gear box, a nice engine and good handling.
The blue white has a nice engine REALLY good brakes and good handling.
How do I get BMW brakes on my Orange beast, they're at least twice as good!
And I really like good brakes, you can brake later and brake more safely and the difference in stopping distance might save the day/ your life.
So, what to do?
PS orange crush is more fun than Gspot
the adv has offroad oriented brakes. Try some KTM roadbikes if you want to feel real KTM brakes.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:09 PM   #9
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So, what to do?
Buy a 70 vintage street bike and take it for a spin. Then you'll appreciate the 990.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:33 PM   #10
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I agree(d) with the original post but went on a closed course for motorcycle testing and really explored the ABS on the front wheel.
It isn't great in it's initial bite as you say but believe me slam that bad boy on hard enough and all the bite you'd ever need is there.
I would recommend to all 990ers to go find the boundaries of their front brake on a quiet backstreet somewhere.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:52 PM   #11
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I would recommend to all 990ers to go find the boundaries of their front brake on a quiet backstreet somewhere.
Just ride around in Halifax traffic without paying attention and you find how good it works.

Actually the abs on the front is pretty damn good - I have it save me in snow, mud and dry payment.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:21 PM   #12
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EBC FA 209 HH pads really grip! Oil/grease all pivots and adjust the lever close as possible to the bar.
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Old 09-26-2013, 07:23 PM   #13
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Old 09-28-2013, 01:26 AM   #14
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Talking ?

No I'm not married but I have a SO with whom I've been living for umpteen years but what this has to do with the KTM brakes is beyond me!
Do explain yourself my good man.

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Old 09-28-2013, 01:37 AM   #15
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It's funny how some brand fanatics get uptight when you find something wrong with "their" brand.
I have one BMW and two KTM bikes one ADV and one SE and the stopping distance paralever or not, is shorter on the BMW with standard brakes and no upgrades whatsoever.
And in some test that I've read, IIRC, the testers weren't very impressed by the KTM brakes, so be it.
I sort of wanted advice or tips on how to pimp my brakes and not some nonsense about that I should be grateful for mushy brakes with built in ABS or that they bite too hard on other models.
If I had wanted to bash KTM I would have stayed away from the brand altogether and not bought a second.
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