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Old 10-09-2013, 12:45 PM   #766
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As I understand it:

1. Reports indicate NYPD were aware of the event and had roadblocks set up on approaches to Times Square (the destination). They arrested 16 and confiscated 55 bikes at these roadblocks.

2. NYPD has published statements that they have a non-pursuit policy in regard to stunters. They do not respond to 911 calls regarding this activity to ensure the safety of other drivers, pedestrians, and of the stunters themselves.

Go figure.
Betcha that policies going to be changed for the future!
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Old 10-09-2013, 12:51 PM   #767
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2. NYPD has published statements that they have a non-pursuit policy in regard to stunters. They do not respond to 911 calls regarding this activity to ensure the safety of other drivers, pedestrians, and of the stunters themselves.

Go figure.
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Betcha that policies going to be changed for the future!

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Old 10-09-2013, 01:01 PM   #768
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What I don't understand is, if the police knew it was going to happen, why deter them from getting to Times Square. Make sure all the traffic cams are working, video them in Times Square acting like fools and breaking the law, then lock down the square, break out the flexi-cuffs and bust all the ones they can. You would have them all in one place, with video for evidence, instead of having them roaming all over the city causing mayhem. Sure, it may cause a riot and you may get the stray off-duty cop here and there but what the hell, it might have worked. Doubt they would have ever tried to come back to Times Square.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:03 PM   #769
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The next time they decide to do this kind of asshat-ridefest, is definitely gonna be interesting.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:07 PM   #770
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What I don't understand is, if the police knew it was going to happen, why deter them from getting to Times Square. Make sure all the traffic cams are working, video them in Times Square acting like fools and breaking the law, then lock down the square, break out the flexi-cuffs and bust all the ones they can. You would have them all in one place, with video for evidence, instead of having them roaming all over the city causing mayhem. Sure, it may cause a riot and you may get the stray off-duty cop here and there but what the hell, it might have worked. Doubt they would have ever tried to come back to Times Square.
Interesting idea, basically get them all into an area where they can be "kettled" and then break out the barricades, riot squads, sound weapons, and cans of whoopass.

I like it, but unfortunately the strategy of the city seemed to be to keep them out of the square and dispersed where they (authorities claim) could not be safely contained and arrested.

But as an earlier poster pointed out, many crossed over choke points like bridges and had there been a political and bureaucratic will to do something effective, the whole sad mess could and should have been stopped before anyone or any Range Rover, was hurt.

The NYPD masters were very prepared to sacrifice the rest of the city and populace to fangs of the wolf pack in the interests of protecting Times Square.

Seems to be that it is not only errant detectives that need looking at by Internal Affairs and the Mayor's Office.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:31 PM   #771
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I think a few guys in riot gear knocking over bikers with shields would have stopped this pretty quick.

BUT, trapping them in Times square would also create huge liability for the city if innocent people got hurt in the Melee. I just think they need to position a few small squads around the route, when they bunch up in traffic run out with a Louisville slugger and knock a couple of these guys right on their ass.
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:37 PM   #772
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I think a few guys in riot gear knocking over bikers with shields would have stopped this pretty quick.

BUT, trapping them in Times square would also create huge liability for the city if innocent people got hurt in the Melee. I just think they need to position a few small squads around the route, when they bunch up in traffic run out with a Louisville slugger and knock a couple of these guys right on their ass.
No liability issues doing that?
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:46 PM   #773
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I think a few guys in riot gear knocking over bikers with shields would have stopped this pretty quick.

BUT, trapping them in Times square would also create huge liability for the city if innocent people got hurt in the Melee. I just think they need to position a few small squads around the route, when they bunch up in traffic run out with a Louisville slugger and knock a couple of these guys right on their ass.
You are right in saying they wanted to avoid innocent folk getting in the middle.

But I still think Times Square was protected for the sake of tourist dollars and press, while the rest of the city was left unprotected.

Every other year, nothing newsworthy came of it and they assumed this luck would hold.

What really amazes me is that no one has previously been hurt (or reported in media to be) during these riots. Even the fact the Stuntazz have apparently not killed or maimed themselves doing this stuff.

Most of us ride in a city and accept the risk of normal traffic but we all know someone who has been hit by a left turner who "didn't see him" or rear ended at a light, but what these guys were doing in the video was way beyond crazy; someone was going to get hurt for sure, just a matter of time.

We can be forever grateful the Dumb Stuntz were foolish enough to GoPro it all and then post it on Ytube!!!!
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Old 10-09-2013, 01:56 PM   #774
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No liability issues doing that?
No more than apprehending anyone else that's running from the cops.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:01 PM   #775
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These guys do put the police in a tough spot.

It's like when there's a cop killer. Cops do not go out of their way to treat them with respect and make sure they get miranda.

On the one hand, there's a little bit of retaliation.

But on the other the Cops will say "look, if he's willing to kill a cop what else will he do?" when they go after a cop killer they go hard and nobody really expects the guy to get arrested instead of dead. It's just the way it is.


These guys are not stopping for lights, signs or cops, every last one of them was in that ride for the express purpose of breaking the law and running from cops. I don't think they need to stand in the middle of the road and yell 'halt' just wack em with a bat.

Treat them like a herd of cattle & round em up!
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:11 PM   #776
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These guys are not stopping for lights, signs or cops, every last one of them was in that ride for the express purpose of breaking the law and running from cops. I don't think they need to stand in the middle of the road and yell 'halt' just wack em with a bat.

Treat them like a herd of cattle & round em up!
A few well placed snipers could have stopped the whole mess.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:32 PM   #777
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It would have been very simple to capture the group, or a large portion of it, on the expressway. Just block the front & rear and they're trapped between the concrete barriers.

A steel cable stretched across the road, at about 42" high would have permanently stopped the first few rows of em' Pit Bulls could have been released behind the group...Bikers love Pit Bulls!

Heck, Gitmo is still open, right? Ship them to Cuba for a decade or so.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:40 PM   #778
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1. spike strips would have gone a long way to get the ride stopped..no matter where it was.

2. There was an off duty cop involved.....and captured on video also assaulting the vehicle. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/08...r-gang-attack/
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #779
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What I don't understand is, if the police knew it was going to happen, why deter them from getting to Times Square. Make sure all the traffic cams are working, video them in Times Square acting like fools and breaking the law, then lock down the square, break out the flexi-cuffs and bust all the ones they can. You would have them all in one place, with video for evidence, instead of having them roaming all over the city causing mayhem. Sure, it may cause a riot and you may get the stray off-duty cop here and there but what the hell, it might have worked. Doubt they would have ever tried to come back to Times Square.
I like this idea. No doubt it would have taken a concerted effort of both the NYPD and possibly the NYFD to effectively contain the whole group (block all potential exits). But they could have had plenty of video evidence (if they pre-load the square with extra cameras & arm UC's with GoPro's) and then just ID process each of the participants one by one. Keep them there until all are either processed and identified by helmet / clothing / bike / license and lock-up the ones they cannot ID and the ones riding stolen / unlicensed / untagged / illegal bikes.

Alternatively / additionally - since these thugs are such attention-whores, hundreds of citizens could just shoot video of each rider with their ride with a good face shot for use later on versus the footage from traffic / security cameras. Since these guys want to be documented so badly, just document them into oblivion. The cheap video thing swings both ways.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:56 PM   #780
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Hmmm...no convenient cliffs in NYC but maybe the docks!?
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