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Old 10-02-2013, 06:45 AM   #16
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Why is this any different than buying a bike?

Here in CA, the plates stay with the vehicle...or don't. Doesn't matter as long as plates that aren't registered to the vehicle aren't on it.

You create a bill of sale, sign over the title and fill out a 'release of liability form' that the seller of each keeps and files with the DMV immediately. This prevents being responsible for anything.

I've not heard of any insurance in the US that doesn't cover another rider/driver as long as they are not living in your household and they all have a grace period to let them know you have a new vehicle; some as short as one week, some as long as 30 days.

Treat it as a sale and ride home. If your state makes you keep your plates, then keep them.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:34 AM   #17
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I can get proof of insurance by calling my agent and giving him a VIN. He'll e-mail me proof of insurance and I can print it out. FAX works, too, if it's convenient.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:46 AM   #18
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I can get proof of insurance by calling my agent and giving him a VIN. He'll e-mail me proof of insurance and I can print it out. FAX works, too, if it's convenient.
That's my plan for insuance too. It's registration that is bothering me, since I'll be riding it back from out of state. I'll risk a ticket, but I don't want to get impounded.
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Old 10-02-2013, 09:32 AM   #19
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This is my feeling too. I'm fine with using each other's tags for the day, but I don't know how he feels. I'm okay with risking a cheap ticket, but I would not want to have the bike towed for improper registration and then be stranded somewhere. This happened to me last year in CT with my car when the reg was invalid due to a forgotten emissions test.

I am probably fretting about it too much. I should just insure it, get the title, and ride...
If it is OK with the other party you should just use leave the plates on the bikes until you can get home. I think you are better off with no plates than with putting your plate on a bike that doesn't match the registration. Falsifying registration is worse than no registration.
Hell, I lost my plate in the beginning of August and haven't been pulled over, I should probably go get a new one.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:12 AM   #20
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If it is OK with the other party you should just use leave the plates on the bikes until you can get home. I think you are better off with no plates than with putting your plate on a bike that doesn't match the registration. Falsifying registration is worse than no registration.
Hell, I lost my plate in the beginning of August and haven't been pulled over, I should probably go get a new one.
That's probably the best way. His plate will still be valid, and with a signed off title and insurance, it'd be OK.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:34 AM   #21
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The current plan is that the other inmate and I are each going to keep our own plates. I can transfer it to the new bike when I get home. However, I am not going to mount my old plate on the new bike for the ride back; I will just have to rely on whatever documents I get from the title transfer office in PA if I get stopped.


If I did mount it on my bike, it would come back to my name and insurance as Kawasaki ZG1000" instead of "Kawasaki W650". Unless the LEO is a rider, would he be likely to sort out that alphabet soup at a casual glance? I won't risk a false plate though...
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:54 PM   #22
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Also

before the deal, I would send videos of it running and and walk around and if you can swing it, a quick vid of you riding it to the other inmate.

I have had people show up and not like the sound of a bike (Ducati) and all kinds of wierd stuff. Videos put all that to rest before you make the 10 hour drive.

As for the registration. Even though you are buying the bike, each bike is still technically registered, so it is not an unregistered bike.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:08 PM   #23
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Not a bad idea.
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:12 AM   #24
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Obviously different from state to state, so you'd have to check it out in CT & PA... but in Maine, I can go the the DMV or my town hall, and get a temporary transport tag. It cost $12 I think, and is good for 1-2 days. It's designed for exactly this purpose: to go purchase a vehicle and be able to drive it home. All I need is the VIN from the new bike and proof of insurance -- which I can get emailed or faxed to me within minutes from my insurance agent.

The less involved way (as long as you trust each other) would be to just keep the current tags, registration paperwork, and insurance cards with the bikes and mail them when you each get home. If you were to be pulled over, you are merely riding a borrowed bike -- no legal problem with that. No one knows except you two owners that the transaction has taken place: not the cops, not the DMV, no one. (EDIT: even if I did this option, I would still get the bike insured by me before the transaction.)
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:14 AM   #25
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I just thought of this, just tag both bikes in VT.
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:34 AM   #26
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In PA the tag stays with the person, not the vehicle. If you meet the PA guy at a public notary he can have you sign over the title (signature must be notarized in PA), sign all the other documents he needs, then legally ride away on the same tag he arrived on. His insurance card doesn't even have to state the exact vehicle he's purchasing- at least it didn't last time I bought a vehicle in PA.

I have no idea how things work on the CT side.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:23 AM   #27
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No offense to either of you guys doing the trade but I would never put much faith in a total stranger. Hell, even with friends and family my intention is to ALWAYS be self-sufficient.

I would bring my bike in a pickup truck and leave with my new bike in the truck.

Done it many times. There is no better way. Besides, I would not wants to ride a bike that I haven't personally maintained or given a thorough inspection (with tools not just eyeballs).

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No offense to either of you guys doing the trade but I would never put much faith in a total stranger. Hell, even with friends and family my intention is to ALWAYS be self-sufficient.

I would bring my bike in a pickup truck and leave with my new bike in the truck.

Done it many times. There is no better way. Besides, I would not wants to ride a bike that I haven't personally maintained or given a thorough inspection (with tools not just eyeballs).

My $.02
Yeah, it's a leap of faith for sure. I have no truck and it is not too far, so I'm rolling the dice a bit. So's the other guy, for that matter.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:55 PM   #29
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A new question: power of attorney

Okay, since this deal was going pretty smoothly, there had to be a hitch.

I just noticed that the title for my bike is in my wife's name (she originally got it for me as a gift, bless her). There is no time to get a new title issued, as that takes quite a few weeks.

In order for me to sign my bike title over to the new owner, it seems like I need power of attorney to act as her agent. This is done via a notarized form. It is unclear to me if I get that here in my home state of CT, or if I have to get a PA (where the deal is happening) form. I think I need it done in my home state, since that is where the person on the title, for whom I'd be getting power of attorney, resides.

This is new territory for me. Any advice? I'll be making calls to the DMV tomorrow, but I thought I'd see what the ADVers have to say.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:06 PM   #30
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Okay, since this deal was going pretty smoothly, there had to be a hitch.

I just noticed that the title for my bike is in my wife's name (she originally got it for me as a gift, bless her). There is no time to get a new title issued, as that takes quite a few weeks.

In order for me to sign my bike title over to the new owner, it seems like I need power of attorney to act as her agent. This is done via a notarized form. It is unclear to me if I get that here in my home state of CT, or if I have to get a PA (where the deal is happening) form. I think I need it done in my home state, since that is where the person on the title, for whom I'd be getting power of attorney, resides.

This is new territory for me. Any advice? I'll be making calls to the DMV tomorrow, but I thought I'd see what the ADVers have to say.

Where in PA are you going to meet? If I were you I would bring the wife with you for the trade in a car with a trailer or in a truck.

Without the person who's name is on the title you're gonna have problems.

Also get a temp tag in PA. It's a piece of paper that probably costs 25$ that will save you hundred in fines and towing if you get pulled over. If you get pulled over, and you will riding a bike with no tags, they're going to tow you.
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