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Old 01-02-2014, 12:09 AM   #196
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They certainly aren't slow either ,in 2010 Dakar the Kamaz of Kabirov was the fastest overall on the 5th stage (if my memory is correct ),faster than Cyril and Marc coma even
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4 minutes faster actually,Chili Lopez won the bikes !
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:01 AM   #197
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Nice office...













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Old 01-02-2014, 06:16 AM   #198
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I don't think the de Rooy team thinks they are "following".
That's no Chevette he is shadowing. Ari Vatinen's Group B Peugeot.

Any specs on how much hp these monsters churned out?
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:42 AM   #199
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Any specs on how much hp these monsters churned out?
2 engines
6 turbos
8,5 seconds 0/60
12 cylinders
23,2 l capacity
1220 bhp
4700 Nm
10500 Kg

Good little summary here ...
http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/100070

De Rooy came up with some fantastic ideas back in the day - the Push Me Pull You was the coolest.


And where is it now? Rotting in the back of De Rooy's parking lot.
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:06 AM   #200
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Here's the real competition:

From Giniel de Villiers

Hilux in race colours, and our office inside for the next 2 weeks.





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Old 01-02-2014, 11:36 AM   #201
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I thought that looked familiar. Here you go, 302 in vid looking good.





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Old 01-02-2014, 01:21 PM   #202
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The changing times...

There are a lot of "boogies" (Carlos says it better ) and "Pick-ups" in recent years... Not so much the monocoque 4WD and wagon/SUV's of before.

Also interesting to note what percentage of vehicles today are of 2WD...? Where once they were very much a minority (maybe a handful of privateer buggy competitors... other than the Schlesser buggies and one or two SMG competitors in the 2000's) now the platform seems to have many participants entering in 2WD...

Giniel may have his best (and last) opportunity to put the Tojo Hilux on top of the podium this year?
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:06 PM   #203
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Picture from today I think:
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Old 01-02-2014, 02:30 PM   #204
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Well now at least we know where the engine is placed, and what configuration the rear suspension is... after all the conjecture.

But the real news is...

Husqvarna are now making ORANGE mopeds... Stefan Pierer is just ruthless!!!
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:11 PM   #205
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But the real news is...

Husqvarna are now making ORANGE mopeds... Stefan Pierer is just ruthless!!!

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Old 01-02-2014, 03:12 PM   #206
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I don't think the de Rooy team thinks they are "following".
That's no Chevette he is shadowing. Ari Vatinen's Group B Peugeot.

I recall that the trucks used to start before the cars and bikes. That may be Ari passing the truck and not the other way around.

Still, that truck is hauling to keep up with the Group-B Evolution Peugeot.
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:23 PM   #207
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I recall that the trucks used to start before the cars and bikes. That may be Ari passing the truck and not the other way around.

Still, that truck is hauling to keep up with the Group-B Evolution Peugeot.
The trucks that "started" before the autos and bikes in the "old" Africa days were the T5 service trucks... and these traversed another "service" route from bivouac to bivouac... unlike the T4 category trucks, which used to always start in the general classification AFTER the auto competitors.

This particular footage is of DeRooy in the DAF X1 catching Ari vatanen in the Pugeot 405 Raid from the 1988 Dakar - where they started this particular stage AT THE SAME TIME in a (now since long abandonned practice in the AUTO/TRUCK class) mass start.

The top speed and resiliance of this big behemoth over fast/rough ground was astounding... and many of the restrictions placed on the T4 race trucks (banning twin engine/limitation of horespower turbo's etc.) was due to the ingenuity of the deRooy team which buit som BRUTAL contaptions in the mid to late 80's.
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Old 01-02-2014, 03:47 PM   #208
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Yeah, sure it's a "desert race"... but...

Well, now I've had a chance to look over this and several other shots (on various places about the web) of RG's much awaited unveiling of the HST Gordini/SPEED 2014 Dakar racer.

V8 engine, 2WD rear wheel with stadium truck inspired A-arm independent coil-over front and four link banjo rear axle suspension... in a much sleeker and nimble/shorter wheelbase package that the former rear engined Hummer-buggy.

Will it work? Well, I'm sure that it's fast and that it is spectacular/capable on rough terrain. It probably steeers/handles better on gravel roads than what the previous Hummer did (nowhere near the body roll/understeer that the rear engine configuration exhibited)... But I'm still not convinced that it will have the same road holding on gravel stages as the 4WD Mini's (turbo DI diesels) or the Hilux's (which also have petrol V8 grunt out of the corners to propel themselves.



My impression can be summed up in the following way....

Compare the front inner wheel arches of the HST Gordini to the X-Raid MINI's and the Overdrive TOYOTA Hilux's.

NOTE the words: Exhaust header pipes - engine bay electrics + mud, rocks & water.

The DAKAR this year is likely to demonstrate similar (if not more) inclement weather conditions as last year?

In recent editions both X-Raid, Toyota and Mitsubishi have had cars with snorkel systems fitted.
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Old 01-02-2014, 04:31 PM   #209
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Biggest change is the HST has a much better approach angle, in other words Rubby won't be "lawn darting" as easily as he has in the past with the hummmmmmbuggy.
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Biggest change is the HST has a much better approach angle, in other words Rubby won't be "lawn darting" as easily as he has in the past with the hummmmmmbuggy.


While it is fair to assume that the suspension on the SST platform will give the Gordini rallye racer some capable high speed/offroad ability... what do you think SB as regards "high speed" stability of rough/broken ground.

The HST Gordini is considerable shorter wheel base than the previous Hummer was, and the Hummbuggy with it's inherent rear engine/IRS "squat" made it vert stable at high speed/off road rough stuff - which was it's trademark compared to the 4x4 SUVs and pick-ups.

The front engine and shorter wheelbase might make it marginally better on the gravel road stages (than the understeer/body roll suffering Hummer), but is it gonna lose out on the high speed off piste stuff (compared to the Hummer?)... and how will it be in the "bowl dunes" (compared to the 4x4's?)...

(I was actually very interested to see if it would turn out as a mid engined IRS/Arm rear end car... a la' some of the new generation SCORE Class 1's?)

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