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Old 01-03-2014, 04:29 AM   #226
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:30 AM   #227
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Um sorry for the dumb Q but what is an HST?

Another Q: IS Rubby's car homogulated?


One of the perks of Dakar :

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Old 01-03-2014, 06:51 AM   #228
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Um sorry for the dumb Q but what is an HST?
Another Q: IS Rubby's car homogulated?
One of the perks of Dakar :
Neil, a HST is a form of STD you can catch if not homogulated... often is a side effect of too many "perks" prior to Dakar.

HST = (rumour has it) H(ummer) S(uper) T(ruck) the pre-fix attatched to RG's 2014 spec' 2WD "Gordini" DAKAR racer. HST being a "borrow" from the H(ummer) grill and general appearance/body style (albeit very minimalist) and the Stadium Super Truck chassis/suspension platform the special build is based on, all wrapped up in slick orange SPEED livery.

Homologated = a minimum number (1000 units) produced by the parent company factory in a production specification, to which certain elements of the race car (engine block, suspension principle, chassis and body/monocoque) must be respected in the FIA T1 modified competition version.

No... RG's car is not homologated, as the T1 2WD vehicles do not have to comply with the requirement. Both the Toyota Hilux, and MINI 4x4 T1 vehicle do however.

The 2WD's get a few more freedoms with regard to - multiple fuel cell placement, tyre air inflation systems, unlimited suspension/wheel travel and engine placement/configuration (as well as wider wheel track and tyre diameter) as a bonus for "only" having 2WD... whereas the 4X4/SUV & Pick-up T1's have a bit more complicated and limited formula to adhere to.

With the latest list of concessions to the 2WD brigade, I think the pendulum may just be swinging back the way of the two wheel drives (in the total scheme of things) especially if there are many rugged off piste terrain stages, a minimised amount of WRC style gravel road specials and not so much low speed technical "bowl" dunes (where the 2WD's can flounder, and the 4WD definately have an advantage).

2014 could be the first year one of the new generation 2WD super offroad cars take it... or the last year that the 4x4 V8 muscle pick-ups have their chance to clinch the title.

MOTO's and AUTO's will be a great scrap this year!
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:56 AM   #229
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Thumb Welcome to the new DAKAR/RACING f5orum mod...

Hey f5lood... don't you have your new "probie" to introduce to the class?

There appears to be a new name down on the bottom of the masthead?
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Old 01-03-2014, 08:45 AM   #230
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My (somewhat) facetious answer at the time was; "Yes... If they conducted the Dakar in 15 stadiums across Sth America..."

If it got too hard for the chosen ones they could always cancel 2 or 3 stages.


I'm not worried about a full bodied stadium truck finishing, I'm worried about the support truck...Internationals are complete junk, I'd be surprised if it finished.



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Old 01-03-2014, 09:02 AM   #231
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Hi larry

As far as the support vehicles are concerned, I think this year it's not too much drama (nothing like back in Africa day's in any case). Most of the service route appears to be highways and sealed roads, or good standard main gravel routes at worst... as opposed to a few stretches on the first couple El dakaro's in 2009/10, that were a bit nightmare-ish.

Ther are support teams with regular Mercedes Sprinter type vans, 2WD pick-ups etc. Winnebago's and motorhomes are now the ultimate bivouac status symbol, and RG's has set himself up with some state of the art fifth wheel trailer (is that the tow rig for it? ), so maybe the glory hauler has a fighting chance...?
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I wouldn't take an International grocery shopping, they're that bad.
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I wouldn't take an International grocery shopping, they're that bad.
And next you'll tell us steering dampers don't work!?! Let's see how many bikes in the rally are running them?!
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:50 PM   #234
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Neil, a HST is a form of STD you can catch if not homogulated... often is a side effect of too many "perks" prior to Dakar.

HST = (rumour has it) H(ummer) S(uper) T(ruck) the pre-fix attatched to RG's 2014 spec' 2WD "Gordini" DAKAR racer. HST being a "borrow" from the H(ummer) grill and general appearance/body style (albeit very minimalist) and the Stadium Super Truck chassis/suspension platform the special build is based on, all wrapped up in slick orange SPEED livery.

Homologated = a minimum number (1000 units) produced by the parent company factory in a production specification, to which certain elements of the race car (engine block, suspension principle, chassis and body/monocoque) must be respected in the FIA T1 modified competition version.

No... RG's car is not homologated, as the T1 2WD vehicles do not have to comply with the requirement. Both the Toyota Hilux, and MINI 4x4 T1 vehicle do however.

The 2WD's get a few more freedoms with regard to - multiple fuel cell placement, tyre air inflation systems, unlimited suspension/wheel travel and engine placement/configuration (as well as wider wheel track and tyre diameter) as a bonus for "only" having 2WD... whereas the 4X4/SUV & Pick-up T1's have a bit more complicated and limited formula to adhere to.

With the latest list of concessions to the 2WD brigade, I think the pendulum may just be swinging back the way of the two wheel drives (in the total scheme of things) especially if there are many rugged off piste terrain stages, a minimised amount of WRC style gravel road specials and not so much low speed technical "bowl" dunes (where the 2WD's can flounder, and the 4WD definately have an advantage).

2014 could be the first year one of the new generation 2WD super offroad cars take it... or the last year that the 4x4 V8 muscle pick-ups have their chance to clinch the title.

MOTO's and AUTO's will be a great scrap this year!
Thanks for that answer, though your first line almost had me running for the door!
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And next you'll tell us steering dampers don't work!?! Let's see how many bikes in the rally are running them?!
They run what their sponsors tell them to run, pretty simple.
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Is that like making a run to TJ for a six of corona and nacho chips?
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Is that like making a run to TJ for a six of corona and nacho chips?
I've got to work on my soon to be mod radar, I really should have you on ignore.
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They run what their sponsors tell them to run, pretty simple.
Wait....Wot? I've never heard of a sponsor telling a team what component they HAVE to use. Unless that sponsor makes the component that is spec'ed. Maybe I've missed something in the translation.........???
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At about 1:40 you overhear a discussion about some of the systems on the HST.
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