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Old 10-05-2013, 09:56 PM   #31
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I find it much simpler to just ride within my abilities so I can spot speed traps in time to avoid getting stopped in the first place.

Haven't been pulled over on a MC since 94.
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Old 10-05-2013, 11:06 PM   #32
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Technically neither have I been pulled over in a long time

the 2 times I did interact with an officer I turned around and went to them

1 cop was still putting the radar gun away

they kinda appreciated that enough to let Me go with a warning

I can't remember the last ticket I had ??
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:21 AM   #33
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If he's me he'l know what FYYFF means



Great advice, I couldn't say it better (and I'm a F'n cop...) Believe it or not, some of us are pretty laid back and even fellow ADV riders too.
I usually end up talking bikes with the guy!
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:21 AM   #34
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I can't remember the last ticket I had ??
I wish I could say this

but I can't

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Old 10-06-2013, 04:57 AM   #35
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bout 4 or 5 miles

I met them at the apex of a hard left corner. I was speeding. Big deal. The price we pay. I knew they would come after me. I just maintained my speed and they eventually caught me.
As they both walked up to my bike, they each covered their weapon. I raised my hands up and the same cop who tossed my keys yelled, "put your hands back on the bars now"

Good God I was speeding. I didn't kill, rape, or mug anyone?
For all they know, you could be speeding away from robbing or killing someone...or already be a fugitive. What would you do in their circumstance?
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Old 10-06-2013, 05:03 AM   #36
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If told to remove the helmet you do have to. A summons is issued in lieu of arrest, so you do have to be properly identified.


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Old 10-06-2013, 08:03 AM   #37
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If told to remove the helmet you do have to. A summons is issued in lieu of arrest, so you do have to be properly identified.


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Well, there was a video in another thread of a rider refusing to answer any questions or remove his helmet at a check point. They let him go but the bottom line is, why be an ass for a simple request?

Now if they wanted to go on a fishing expedition and search the vehicle, "NO."
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:28 AM   #38
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They want your helmet off because their bullets may bounce off and hurt someone.
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Old 10-06-2013, 08:56 AM   #39
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Some departments advise their officers to have motorcyclists keep their helmets on so the motorcyclist cannot use the helmet as a weapon.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:15 AM   #40
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Like I said a summons is in lieu of an arrest, a checkpoint is just a check.


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Old 10-06-2013, 11:17 AM   #41
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I usually end up talking bikes with the guy!
Eh what does FYYFF mean? well actually what does the second to last F stand for.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:51 AM   #42
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Take the helmet Off

Turn the bike off.
Take the helmet off.
Put the side stand down.
Do not put your hands in your pocket to retrieve anything, how do I know what your going after.
Keep your hands on the bar.
Tell the Officer if you are armed and where it is.

You dont have to do any of these things but Tasers really hurt and bullets hurt more till you die.

Polite never failed to get more respect than being an asshole, and I rarely wrote that person a citation.
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:56 AM   #43
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Polite never failed to get more respect than being an asshole.
They should teach this at the police academy.
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Old 10-06-2013, 06:19 PM   #44
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The point of this question... I don't see it.

If you wear ear plugs (and most of us do) you have to take the helmet off and yank the plugs just to hear what Officer Neckvein is saying.

If you are stopped for a violation, yes, they have probable cause, yes, you are being detained, and yes, you have to show enough of yer ugly mug to be identified, and you have to show ID, produce your insurance info if that's required, and you have to comply with the officer's orders. Asking you to remove your helmet is a reasonable safety and identification measure for several reasons.

Also, implicit in this interaction is that you have to be able to communicate somehow, and for most of us that means using the wet holes in our heads to produce and detect sounds. (Even if you're deaf, it's going to be mighty tough to understand each other without facial expressions.) Therefore, doff the lid, even if you don't want to, or if you look just like a recently escaped serial killer.

Checkpoints are a whole 'nuther ball of wax, legally speaking, but that has nothing to do with the question of what is legal or required during a traffic stop.
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:28 PM   #45
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What I do depends on how he approaches me and how he treats me. He wants to be the guy who's in charge, ok no problem, I'll let him set the tone of the stop. If he makes me feel comfortable with the situation, that's what he gets in return. If he's a dick and thinks he needs to intimidate or he embarks on some kind of fishing trip, I won't do shit for him.
As for the legalities of forcing you to remove the helmet, I would say that depends on the reason for the stop. For example, If you got stopped for an equipment violation, there's no reason he needs to ID you, forcing you to remove your helmet would be outside the scope of the stop, there's no reason he needs a positive ID for a simple equipment citation.
As for taking the ignition key, as long as it's not illegal to have a key in or on my vehicle, he had better not remove it, just as he had better not reach in my car and remove a camera or cell phone. If he has no articulable suspicion there is, was or about to be a crime he needs to keep his mitts out of and off of my personal belongings.

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