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Old 10-11-2013, 07:55 AM   #31
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Riding last evening with three friends. Three of us on 650 dual sport bikes one riding a 1000cc sport bike. On a rural stretch of road with only two marked passing zones in about 8 miles the lead rider on a 650 pulls out to pass a slow moving car on a double yellow. I was riding in the back and knew I wouldn't have time to pass in what I consider the safety zone in that particular stretch so I just lay back knowing I'll catch the car at the next safe opportunity.

The pass seems to be taking longer than it should and the second and third riders are laying back as well because the car is speeding up on the lead rider. As we enter the curve at the end of the stretch the lead rider clears the car but the driver is right on his wheel. The three of us left behind accelerate to keep up. I was going 75 indicated and they were still pulling away from me with the car right on top of my friend.

No, I don't need to be reminded that the pass was on a double yellow. I know. Just a couple miles prior to this happening the front three riders had passed a car in a legal passing zone. I did not have time and hung back. At the next place with visibility to pass, even though illegal, the car slowed and allowed me to go around and join back up with my friends. This road sees a lot of motorcycles and police presence along with common sense keep things pretty much in check.

So, I knew it was about a mile to a curvy section where the car would not be able to keep up and I managed to keep the car and my friends in sight till we reached that point.

When we came up on another car the lead rider was not in sight. I correctly assumed he had passed it and was able to get away from his pursuer.

The car that had sped up was now relegated to following the slower auto. For the next 4 or 5 miles the driver ran with the car 1/3 to 1/2 over the yellow. We would not have attempted to pass at this point, but I assume the drivers action was to prevent us from passing.

Our destination was the local gathering of riders on Thursday night. Our group is usually the last to arrive, coming in just at dark, so we were riding in what I would call dusk. At that time of the evening riders are leaving, returning to town on the route we were coming in on. At least 6 riders were forced to the edge of a road that has no forgiveness if you drop off the blacktop, by this crazy driver who refused to give up the center of the road.

For that 5, 6, 7, minutes it took us to get to the destination all I could think about was the event in NY. I was extremely angry that the driver had placed my friend and the strangers we met on the road in danger, over a pass that could have happened very quickly, and safely, if the driver had just let it happen.

When we arrived at the destination the car stopped. I stayed on the road with one of my friends and the the car moved on down to an opening in the parking lot and pulled in. I am thinking, what kind of a fool will pull in with 100 bike riders, and show their anger? I pulled in, dismounted and waited for what I thought at best would be a fight, at worst a shooting.

Out of the Camry comes the most irate, loud, foul mouthed, chest thumping, flannel shirt wearing, man looking lesbian I've ever seen.

If she hadn't placed my friend in real danger by pursuing him closely, I think, forcing him to ride considerably faster than he normally would, and if she hadn't ran the road in the middle for the remainder of the mileage endangering everyone she met, it would have been funny. As it was, I never in my life wanted to strike a woman so badly, as I did last night.

With a few choice, unrepeatable words shouted in anger, she left as bikers scrambled to protect their rides from what was perceived to be a woman completely out of control.

This gathering place has seen Thursday night riders in good weather since the mid 70's. Locals are aware, hi jinks are minimal, police presence is expected but often not there. I have to believe that recent news stories inflamed this person and gave her, if you will excuse me, the balls, to make a stand, whether justified or not. Even though the pass would be considered illegal, it was in a safe place with good vision and her initial speed was such that if she hadn't sped up it would have been over quickly with no one endangered. Her actions not only made several people angry, it put at least a dozen more in danger as she recklessly attempted to unnecessarily block the road.

It was easy for me to imagine how a large group could be influenced by a cage driver who recklessly endangered a friend. I am thankful that we had enough sense to not make passing attempts on this driver after we witnessed the way she responded to our friend, and now even more thankful it was a crazy lady and we didn't have to shoot her.

Be careful out there, there are crazies among us.

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Old 10-11-2013, 11:58 AM   #32
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It was easy for me to imagine how a large group could be influenced by a cage driver who recklessly endangered a friend. I am thankful that we had enough sense to not make passing attempts on this driver after we witnessed the way she responded to our friend, and now even more thankful it was a crazy lady and we didn't have to shoot her.

Be careful out there, there are crazies among us.

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I have seen reactions like that from relatively harmless "infractions" before. I tend to think carefully about such passes before I do them just because of that. Usually I don't do double yellows and if so I make it real quick.
I am afraid that with the public portraying the NYC incident as being a event that caused a terrified driver to take the law into his own hands and maim a motorcyclist thus giving him a pass, that there will be an increase in violent acts towards us. It seems that most of the motorcyclists posting here are taking delight in that stupid bikers injuries, so imagine how non motorcyclists are feeling.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:13 PM   #33
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not for nuthin, but the woman driver did not force your buddy into anything.

he rode his own ride.

sounds like she was enough of a jerk -- give her responsibility for your friend's riding isn't neccessary, nor accurate.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:26 PM   #34
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not for nuthin, but the woman driver did not force your buddy into anything.

he rode his own ride.

sounds like she was enough of a jerk -- give her responsibility for your friend's riding isn't neccessary, nor accurate.
No, she only tried to kill him, that's all.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:30 PM   #35
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No, she only tried to kill him, that's all.
It's a shame sHe got stuck behind another car , the guy on the bike might have sucked her into a curve sHe couldn't make.
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Old 10-11-2013, 02:53 PM   #36
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I have to believe that recent news stories inflamed this person and gave her, if you will excuse me, the balls, to make a stand, whether justified or not.
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Nah... She was just a crazy bitch.

Once every year, or two, I come up on someone like that. They existed well before this NYC incident.

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Old 10-11-2013, 04:14 PM   #37
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Nah... She was just a crazy bull dyke.

Once every year, or two, I come up on someone like that. They existed well before this NYC incident.

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Old 10-11-2013, 10:05 PM   #38
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not for nuthin, but the woman driver did not force your buddy into anything.

he rode his own ride.

sounds like she was enough of a jerk -- give her responsibility for your friend's riding isn't necessary, nor accurate.
When you have accelerated to the maximum speed of your bike, to pass a vehicle that was doing 40 when the pass started, and a crazy driver is still within feet of your back tire, that driver is forcing you to go faster than you want.

His action was illegal but did not endanger anyone. Her action was illegal and endangered everyone she followed and met.

"If" she "was" influenced by the recent news, brake checking surely wasn't one of the options my friend had.

"If" she "wasn't" influenced by the recent news I can't imagine trying to stop or slow someone, willing to take the action she took, with a motorcycle.

He rode his own ride, trying as hard as he could to stay out from under that Camry.

I might add he was riding on knobbies, not exactly road racing tires.

I haven't asked, but having ridden 12,000 mile or so with him in the last 3 or 4 years, if he had it to do over he would have braked and not completed the pass. I don't think he interpreted the situation, as it developed, at the same speed it was developing.

It is not unusual for me to pass a vehicle and then slow back down to the speed I was traveling before the pass. Having a view of the road, being able to see small animals, debris, etc. is usually more important than speed. Following a vehicle at the speed limit, or below, is not something I like to do.

From my perspective it appeared she did not use maximum acceleration, but just matched his speed as he went by and not allowing him to put any distance between the vehicles. Would she have slowed if he did? Her actions were hostile and aggressive, I would not have slowed in front of her.

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Old 10-12-2013, 07:43 PM   #39
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I was at a "home depot" today and had 2 strangers approch me and talk about the "biker gang". They were polite as was I but I found it interesting that they wanted my input.
This event in NY may have "legs".
Mentioning that half a dozen cops were part of the group that chased the SUV usually takes the wind out of their sails. Oddly enough, bad Asian Range Rover drivers and out of control fuckstick cops is something most suburbanites can relate to. It just doesn't make CNN's talking points.

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Nah... She was just a crazy bitch.

Once every year, or two, I come up on someone like that. They existed well before this NYC incident.

Ding!
I've spent atleast half of my riding life in Ontario, where filtering through traffic on a bike is viewed by the populace as only slightly less heinous than child pornography. Almost weekly some wannabe passive aggresive asshole in an SUV or pimped pickup swerves to block me. Long before the NYC hooligan fucksticks and long after.

Hey, mebbe in some areas, people in cages are just self entitled road vigilante assholes.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:03 AM   #40
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I've spent atleast half of my riding life in Ontario, where filtering through traffic on a bike is viewed by the populace as only slightly less heinous than child pornography. Almost weekly some wannabe passive aggresive asshole in an SUV or pimped pickup swerves to block me. Long before the NYC hooligan fucksticks and long after.

Hey, mebbe in some areas, people in cages are just self entitled road vigilante assholes.
If someone blocks a splitter in a manner that isn't dangerous, are they any more of a asshole than the splitter who is breaking the law?

I'm pro splitting, but the road belongs to the "populace" and they have spoken. You know its illegal, and angers the "populace" yet you do it anyway, then cry foul when it doesn't go as planed?

If your going to be intransigent, you should learn to accept the results.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:39 AM   #41
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I filter all the time as in the uk as they are pro filtering but you still get some one who will try to block the road.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:53 PM   #42
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If someone blocks a splitter in a manner that isn't dangerous, are they any more of a asshole than the splitter who is breaking the law?

I'm pro splitting, but the road belongs to the "populace" and they have spoken. You know its illegal, and angers the "populace" yet you do it anyway, then cry foul when it doesn't go as planed?

If your going to be intransigent, you should learn to accept the results.
How, exactly, is someone on a motorcycle affecting some suburbanite douchebag in an Escalade when they filter through traffic? Am I taking up their space? Am I, omigosh, putting them two car lengths back in the parking lot they stick themselves into everyday?

NO!

I am not affecting them in no way whatsoever, I am just going about my own business. But their poor little ego's are hurt in the mangina, so they have to be a douchebag, because they think they can get away with it.
THEY choose to inflect themselves into MY business, because their drone lives are so beholden to others they feel emasculated. Castrated even, with their SUV payments, mortgage payments, card payments...payments everywhere. And two hours a day they clog the roadways with their commute, because THEY rather live in a cookie cutter McMansion in the hot development area.

Good for them. They made their choice...my choice is simply to pass them by and not be a part of it. THEY decide to make me a part of it, by thinking they are still anonymous in their rolling rec room. Oh, and if I take a $600 mirror off for their trouble...fuck them.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:57 PM   #43
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If someone blocks a splitter in a manner that isn't dangerous, are they any more of a asshole than the splitter who is breaking the law?
Oh, and to answer your question, yes.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:56 AM   #44
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If someone blocks a splitter in a manner that isn't dangerous, are they any more of a asshole than the splitter who is breaking the law?
Vigilantism is illegal. Enforcing the law is the job of law enforcement personnel. Attempting (illegally) to enforce the law with a 3000+ lb vehicle is attempted manslaughter at the least.

Just how do you assault someone safely with an Escalade? You're delusional.

And if you're going to "penalize" me for my "illegal activities" be prepared for the illegal response. A good (my) lawyer will get me out in time enough to watch Monday Night Football. The system is broken. And I'll take every advantage of that.
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If someone blocks a passer on a double-yellow in a manner that isn't dangerous, are they any more of a asshole than the passer who is breaking the law?
Since you don't really know who you're blocking, it's best to just let them by, whether splitting or passing.
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