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Old 10-09-2013, 07:08 PM   #16
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:41 PM   #17
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Just got back from riding FS 17. Didn't see a open or closed sign. Didn't see a open or closed sign on FS 18 when we went by there.
Good (so far)

I don't recall if the 17 or 18 has gates that they could close otherwise in that neck of the woods temporary signage would be very temporary.
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Old 10-09-2013, 07:56 PM   #18
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Set foot on any trail or public land deemed as “closed” by the US Forest Service and face a $5000 fine and up to six months in jail.

http://www.wildlandfire.com/docs/201...sure-order.pdf
Do i have to get permission next time i take a dump?

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Old 10-09-2013, 08:07 PM   #19
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Not to mess with a good rant, but I think this order is to address closures for cause, such as this one last July on Manashtash Ridge.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/WAOWF...5-115459-0.pdf

The fines and punishments cited in the Manashtash order are the same as on the order Tod cited.

I don't have problems staying off land that is (or could be) on fire. Nor do I have a problem being ordered to stay out of the way of active fire fighters.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:12 PM   #20
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Do i have to get permission next time i take a dump?
Only when they can figure out a way to tax it.

At that point you might need to file an IRS form ahead of time and send in a payment ahead of time based on the estimated total weight/diameter/viscosity/impact to the ozone/etc.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:15 PM   #21
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Not to mess with a good rant, but I think this order is to address closures for cause, such as this one last July on Manashtash Ridge.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/WAOWF...5-115459-0.pdf

The fines and punishments cited in the Manashtash order are the same as on the order Tod cited.

I don't have problems staying off land that is (or could be) on fire. Nor do I have a problem being ordered to stay out of the way of active fire fighters.
Closures for good cause are mostly reasonable and many should be supported.

This order applies the penalties to anything with a "CLOSED" sign stuck to it regardless of the reason.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:31 PM   #22
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This order applies the penalties to anything with a "CLOSED" sign stuck to it regardless of the reason.
Not the way I read it.

Closed for protection of Public Health and Safety, or protection of Property.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:38 PM   #23
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It was kinda a good thing that the guberment was shut down this last weekend



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Old 10-09-2013, 08:46 PM   #24
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Not the way I read it.

Closed for protection of Public Health and Safety, or protection of Property.
It applies to any area, building, structure, campground, or recreation site posted as "Closed".

While the stated purpose is for the protection of property, public health, and safety there is no binding legal requirement to justify that when citing someone for violating a “closed” posting.

It might be possible to attempt using “stated purpose” as a defense in federal court, that would likely cost way more than the $5000 (max) fine just to grease up your lawyers.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:10 PM   #25
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And your background check comes back tainted with the most bad-ass criminal record EVER ...good thing we weren't all arrested last weekend
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:24 PM   #26
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As I understand it all BLM and USFS fee sites are closed. That generally means campgrounds with facilities and some parking areas. Around here it would mostly be river access sites. There may be a few trailheads that are fee sites, but not many.
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:26 PM   #27
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I talked to a USFS enforcement officer the other day, looked like he was just out having a good time driving around. Didn't really seem to know what was going on as far as trails being closed or even that the government was "shut down" Seemed like a nice guy
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:30 AM   #28
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Interesting part is if you have been driving/riding around notice how many hikers there are at the closed trail heads?

Wonder if they will enforce that....
Yeah, my daughter and I were a couple of those scofflaws hiking up by Sunrise last Friday. Funny, when the "trails and facilities are closed due to the government shutdown" they don't look any different than they did when they were open.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:47 AM   #29
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Interesting part is if you have been driving/riding around notice how many hikers there are at the closed trail heads?

Wonder if they will enforce that....
I heard on the radio this morning that they were turning hikers back at the North Cascades NP boundary.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:30 AM   #30
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I heard on the radio this morning that they were turning hikers back at the North Cascades NP boundary.

local news article on that

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2...-long-journey/
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